Chapter Discussion Why are the Marines/WG acting like they can't comfortably stop the Alliance?

Usopp Haoshoku Haki

Usopp Haoshoku Haki

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For sure , an Alliance between Big Mom and Kaido is nasty , but let's say they attack Marineford or Mariejois.Shouldn't the marines and wg be capable of taking them out without too many serious casualties? Despite the loss of the Warlords , it seems like the are other factions such as the SWORD and the SSG that weren't a thing in Marineford.
Also , the Marines have 7 top tiers ( All 4 admirals , Oldgoku , Oldgarp , Oldkong) and who knows how many mid tiers , how many weapons and how many other factions like the CP-0.Should 2 Yonko crews be really that dangerous? Sure , you can't just send Kizaru and have him prevent them from taking over islands and stuff like this , but this was the case even before the alliance was formed , wasn't it?
What do you think?
 
Garp the Fist

Garp the Fist

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It's the potential for chaos that'll worry the World Gov and the Marines.

Yes, if the situation somehow arrived where Rocks 2.0 and the World Gov lined up in a field and went to war with their full forces the World Gov would win. But that's not going to happen.

Say Kaido and Big Mom, ambush a travelling Admiral, like Fujitora, and kill him. Disaster for the World Gov. What if Vegapunk's SSG doesn't work, and the Warlords join up with the Yonko? Disaster. Something has happened in Alabasta that's got them in crisis mode. Blackbeard is making a move, and Shanks could as well. The Worst Gen is worrying them. The RA has done something. The other Rocks could come back.

The World Gov and the Marines liked the status quo of the balance of power, and that's been shot to bits. They aren't doing their jobs right if they aren't preparing for the worst possible outcomes from this.
 
Den_Den_Mushi

Den_Den_Mushi

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The warlords existed to keep the yonko in check. One or even two yonko could not raid Marineford or Mariejoa without taking extreme casualties and leaving their own territory ripe for the other yonko to invade.

The WG also needs to pacify the kings and general public, hence why they pulled out all the stops, summoning all 7 warlords, 4 admirals and Garp to combat WB. A yonko alliance would be extremely unsettling given that the marines have spread themselves thin trying to arrest the rogue warlords who are now also free agents who can ally with the yonko. Two yonko attacking Marineford also leaves them open to a Blackbeard 2.0 situation where another powerful pirate force takes advantage of the chaos to wreak havoc.
 
J

Just a member

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Kaido amd BM together are worse than old WB and that is a fact, maybe even more than a prime beard at this point.

On the other hand the WG has lost its warlords and on the top of that has dispatched forces to capture them, now it has to reveal these weapons from the ssg, or Vegapunk in other words, bit they will not be enough to turn the fact that the warlords were turned from allies into foes.

Also they just repelled the revo attack and Fuji, and maybe greenbull too, are not in shape right now.
 
M

MD Zolo

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Usopp Haoshoku Haki said:
Despite the loss of the Warlords , it seems like the are other factions such as the SWORD and the SSG that weren't a thing in Marineford.
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So far SWORD's existence is not known to many. So it can be understandable why WG/Marines don't consider it yet. Plus SWORD is from within the Marines, so the people making up SWORD was mostly present in MF.

SSG was also present in MF. The Pacifistas and Sentomarou are part of SSG. And to be honest, Marines are betting on SSG.

They can take on an alliance but not when they have lost a significant ally and actually made the said ally into enemies.
 
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Danh

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So the marine side is always stronger than the pirate side.
That is unfair. Thats why I dont like Oda.
I want a balance. No side has more advantages than the other.
I love to read manga in that format.
 
King7

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If i recall correctly , Gorosei were concerned with something as small as Crocodile being defeated and out of 7 Warlords , even though he and Baroque Works is a really small part of Marine HQ + Warlords and crews that were supposed to counterbalance 4 Emperors

And they ( Gorosei ) were trying to replace Croco immediately .... so maybe it's normal that they aren't acting like they can defeat Beasts-Orochi-BMP easily , especially since they are currently busy like Akainu said
( handling 4 former Warlords - one is World's Strongest Swordsman , one is physically as strong as young Whitebeard-according to Kizaru , one is well .... Buggy , one is Hancock who is held in high pedestal by Sengoku and Aokiji , also they are dealing with the aftermath of Alabasta incident , and Garp said they are trying their utmost to resolve the result of incident with Alabasta , and maybe they are chasing the 4 Revo Commanders as well ? i don't think so but maybe )
 
CaptainJackSparrow

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It's not that they won't win that scares them. It's the casualties they'll take from the battle that scares them.

Just look at all the soldiers they lost in MF then multiply that by 2. It's possible even a couple of their admirals could die in the battle which in the long run would extremely weaken their forces.

That'd leave them vulnerable if let's say another Yonko or even Warlord chooses to attack them later on.
 
Blackbeard

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Try comparing yourself trying to prevent few dogs from entering your house and your country's government trying to protect the whole land, who would have a harder time protecting his place?

The World Government is a worldwide organization tasked with protecting more than 170 countries around the world plus hundreds of Navy bases, prisons like Impel Down and other governmental islands like Enies Lobby from not only The Emperors, but millions of other independent pirates, Revolutionaries criminals, bandits, underworld smugglers, and many other outlaws. unlike the Emperors who have to defend a small part of the New World, The World Government needs to provide safety for all the four seas along with the Grand line. the manpower to assure such thing easily dwarfs the military of a single Emperor. and now with the abolition of the warlords, the task gets even harder. the fact that such organization remained intact for 800 despite all these dangers is impressive.

The list of threats the World Government has to deal with that emperors don't have to :

1. The Revolutionary Army led by Dragon
2. The remaining Warlords
3. Hundreds of thousands of pirates, bandits, criminals throughout the four seas and paradise.
 
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Xione

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Because they are a government. Look at any Government in the real world or armies, no matter how powerful they are, they treat even small acts of violence as a big deal, because what they want is stability and not chaos. If they aren't stressing about the Yonko moving or joining forces, then the WG ain't doing its job. The Marines aren't doing their job. So them freaking out about little stuff like a fodder pre-TS luffy is them doing their jobs. Cause Marines are also looking out for the normal citizens.

Right now however:

Around 40 warships are probably sent to the Warlords
Some decent amount could possibly be used to escort the monarchs of 50 countries, where those marines could be jumped or ambushed by pirates
They also have to keep guard of the HQ and Mariejois after the recent reverie events

So a Pirate Alliance if decides to attack them out of nowhere with all of the things going on, it'll mess up a lot for them.
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Kejon said:
They can't do shit lol. Akainu said it too. Big Mom and Kaido are too much for the marines and WG to handle.
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No what Sakazuki said is they don't have the forces to go to Wano to deal with them, since majority of marine forces are already deployed atm. If they come attacking Marine HQ, that's a whole different story.
 
Erkan12

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We told you this many times.

Yonko > Fleet Admiral or any Admiral.

And 1 Yonko can take on the entire marines for that reason, due to the Yonko vs. Admiral mismatch. Yonko vs. 2 Admirals is necessary. And there are side-kicks powerful enough to give high-difficulty to any Admiral, such as Marco.

That's why.
 
Hiragaro

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Kejon said:
They can't do shit lol. Akainu said it too. Big Mom and Kaido are too much for the marines and WG to handle.
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Like Garp said the Navy can't handle 2 legends at the same time - WB and Rayleigh? lol
Rayleigh was already out of breath after a few Panels Fighting Kizaru and WB didn't take out even one Admiral. Yeah, sure….they can't handle them lmao
The Marines underestimade themselfs for no reason. Garp was equal to Roger, but talks About Things, like they dont have Admirals, Garp, Sengoku etc...
Oda just loves to overhype the pirates.
 
Kejon

Kejon

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Hiragaro said:
Like Garp said the Navy can't handle 2 legends at the same time - WB and Rayleigh? lol
Rayleigh was already out of breath after a few Panels Fighting Kizaru and WB didn't take out even one Admiral. Yeah, sure….they can't handle them lmao
The Marines underestimade themselfs for no reason. Garp was equal to Roger, but talks About Things, like they dont have Admirals, Garp, Sengoku etc...
Oda just loves to overhype the pirates.
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How does he overhype the pirates if it's his own story lol?
 
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