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How strong was Prime Gaban ?


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G2 Luffy still has FS and could clown on Kaidou's Thunder Bagua. So this would still be massive.
Only if he was shown/implied to be using it, as we know Luffy's FS isn't always active.

We need to wait for the scans as this could be the equivalent of getting gassed that Tien beat Frieza, but it turns out he just beat his first form when Frieza can go all the way up to Black.

If Luffy's not using gears, ACoC, FS or even ACoA then bro is buns. Base Luffy w/ FS but without ACoC is like Queen level, he wouldn't even beat Katakuri. If that's the version Gaban faced before giving up then that's expected, it doesn't take much to clown that version of Luffy.

Never forget Apoo knocking Luffy tf out pre-rooftop. There are levels to his abilities.
 
Observation and its advanced forms is the only type of haki we should be assuming to be default if the opponent is someone like Gabban who forced luffy into gear 5
You assume basic CoO, you don't assume FS.

Typically, Oda makes it pretty obvious when FS is being used. With Shanks he even showed us the alternate future. With Kaido he made a statement that showed both he and Luffy were using it, when Luffy uses it he's shouted out every single move well in advance or there's some kinda focus on his eyes etc... If there's nothing like that then we can't assume it's being used.
 

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Only if he was shown/implied to be using it, as we know Luffy's FS isn't always active.

We need to wait for the scans as this could be the equivalent of getting gassed that Tien beat Frieza, but it turns out he just beat his first form when Frieza can go all the way up to Black.

If Luffy's not using gears, ACoC, FS or even ACoA then bro is buns. Base Luffy w/ FS but without ACoC is like Queen level, he wouldn't even beat Katakuri. If that's the version Gaban faced before giving up then that's expected, it doesn't take much to clown that version of Luffy.

Never forget Apoo knocking Luffy tf out pre-rooftop. There are levels to his abilities.
The context is he's trying to take the key from him. So it's basically tag. We have to assume he's using FS in this situation otherwise there's no point to even bringing it up as part of Luffy's arsenal, there are no visual cues for FS (just like internal penetration).

If it's just one moment where he got caught offguard then I agree, if it's the entire chapter of him playing tag and getting clowned on, then it's massive for Gaban.
 
The context is he's trying to take the key from him. So it's basically tag. We have to assume he's using FS in this situation otherwise there's no point to even bringing it up as part of Luffy's arsenal, there are no visual cues for FS (just like internal penetration).

If it's just one moment where he got caught offguard then I agree, if it's the entire chapter of him playing tag and getting clowned on, then it's massive for Gaban.
There are no visual cues for FS but Oda does often indicate pretty obviously when it's being used. Somebody always says something - hell even against Kaido, Luffy said TB is hard to dodge even though he's seeing the future. If there's no statement like that vs Gaban then it's a safe assumption that he wasn't using FS. We'll find out soon enough, point is it's important to wait for the scans when it comes to Luffy because he has so many significant power-ups that he just might not have used.
 
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