Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1143 Spoilers Discussion

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knew that would happen, all blood loss and main reason oda had gerth there to later treat loki wounds after he collapsed from blood loss.

also loki comment about do you think i wanted to kill our father...


perhaps loki father was not good man and similar to mother caramel. ..and loki found out and killed him.
 

Doesnt scream trickster to me @Owl Ki
A trickster can still possess a sense of pride.

Moriah for example fights consistently underhandedly and will use trickery to one up opponents (e.g. leading Luffy to get lost in the woods instead of fighting him). He is still however a prideful individual that refuses to accept help from others (e.g. telling Kuma to sod off when he offered assistance), says a pirate should not be afraid of fighting to the death and he refuses to submit to others (e.g. Kaido and Blackbeard).

There can be three things at work here regarding that specific scene:

I) Loki is fundamentally too prideful to ever submit to anybody.

II) Loki has personal beef with the Holy Knights/World Government due to whatever reason. This causes him to reject them on principle alone.

III) Loki might have some knowledge of Imu that makes him reluctant to even attempt to pull a fast one.

Maybe all Imu needs is a verbal agreement to use his powers to enslave your soul and instantly immolate an annoyance like he did to Saturn? Who knows. Maybe it is the unknown factor of how Imu can even do it to begin with that makes Loki reject anything to do with with Imu and his subordinates.
 
For sure:

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...r-1143-spoilers-discussion.65525/post-5989608

Not sure why some people are acting surprised when we knew Harold was fishy since the HK talked about him.

If anything, today we are certain Shamrock went away and the HK seem really gimmick based. And now we know how Loki Is going to be cured.

The destoryer Nika vs liberator Nika, Loki having the Powers that Is "Erbaf's weakness", Loki said he was going to destroy the world, all Is there; It's not an easter egg.
More so not for a plot twist we all knew and still thought Loki was the main villain.
Shamrock isn’t required to be here atm and can always come back. Teleportation is a useful gimmick that Oda can always take advantage of to turn the tides on the SHs.

Although both concepts have been established on Elbaf, Liberator Nika (Luffy) v Destroyer Nika (Loki) is a scenario you’ve made up in your head. It is not evidence of anything. Loki claims to be Nika like every other giant on Elbaf, it’s not exclusive to him. If anything it’s setup for potential Luffy glaze & Loki joining the Nika fan club. Moreover in your scenario, in what world is the Nika who unleashed disaster in Loki on Elbaf a liberator? 💀

Moreover what does Loki saying he wants to destroy the world have to do with Elbaf and why does it have to be aimed specifically at Elbaf? What he meant by that is still up in the air. You’re conflating what the giants believe with a vague statement.

Same giants believe Loki killed Harald which has been proven false this chapter. So chances are that their conceptions with regard to him destroying Elbaf are also false & misguided.

The more Loki gets humanized the less the chances that he will play a villain role & if it wasn’t already clear enough this chapter makes it abundantly clear he ain’t it.
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
A trickster can still possess a sense of pride.

Moriah for example fights consistently underhandedly and will use trickery to one up opponents (e.g. leading Luffy to get lost in the woods instead of fighting him). He is still however a prideful individual that refuses to accept help from others (e.g. telling Kuma to sod off when he offered assistance), says a pirate should not be afraid of fighting to the death and he refuses to submit to others (e.g. Kaido and Blackbeard).

There can be three things at work here regarding that specific scene:

I) Loki is fundamentally too prideful to ever submit to anybody.

II) Loki has personal beef with the Holy Knights/World Government due to whatever reason. This causes him to reject them on principle alone.

III) Loki might have some knowledge of Imu that makes him reluctant to even attempt to pull a fast one.

Maybe all Imu needs is a verbal agreement to use his powers to enslave your soul and instantly immolate an annoyance like he did to Saturn? Who knows. Maybe it is the unknown factor of how Imu can even do it to begin with that makes Loki reject anything to do with with Imu and his subordinates.
I see maybe you could be right, we will see lol. Im leaning towards Oda subverting the expectations of his name. He was a bully but seems to be more honorable then not imo.
 
Shamrock is an end-game type of character. I doubt he will be making a return to Elbaph this arc. He was called away so Oda could save him for later.
He told loki he was weakling and couldn't defeat him, clear indication shamrock underestimating loki power.

shamrock attack loki like a true weakling and a coward. he was all talk and cheap shot at someone chained and defenseless.

that sign of weakling.
 
This has been pretty evident for quite some time now. King Harald was probably working with the WG, so he is changing the nation to "peace" rather than war. He was weakening Elbaph for the eventual WG takeover.
Jarul probably helped Loki because Harald was said to have dispute with other village chief.
 
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