Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1148 Spoilers Discussion
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Then don't imply it.
And then this is a real strawman.
When I have ever said that Ray's attacks connected on Kizaru during the fight? Ray was giving it all, but never managed to land a clear hit on Kizaru. And Ray himself said it.
Even in sword fight, the two were going toe toe.
And you don't have the concept of shame, apparently.
Oda made plenty clear that Ray was doing all he could to save the lives of the SH; he even had Ray himself saying it.
Now, how you manage to get from this crystal clear admission, with Ray huffing and expressing his inability to do more explicitly, with the lives of Luffy and his firends on the line, to Ray actually noy trying, I don't really know.
It is that difficult to admit that Kizaru matched Ray?
And then this is a real strawman.
When I have ever said that Ray's attacks connected on Kizaru during the fight? Ray was giving it all, but never managed to land a clear hit on Kizaru. And Ray himself said it.
Even in sword fight, the two were going toe toe.
And you don't have the concept of shame, apparently.
Oda made plenty clear that Ray was doing all he could to save the lives of the SH; he even had Ray himself saying it.
Now, how you manage to get from this crystal clear admission, with Ray huffing and expressing his inability to do more explicitly, with the lives of Luffy and his firends on the line, to Ray actually noy trying, I don't really know.
It is that difficult to admit that Kizaru matched Ray?
When did I ever say Kizaru didn't match Rayleigh?
Don't confuse me with these agenda piece readers - Kizaru vs Rayleigh was even with a slight implied edge towards Kizaru. However, it was a brief skirmish. All they did was cling cling. The point being made here and the entire premise behind this debate you jumped into, is that Kizaru matched Rayleigh therefore, Kizaru must have ACoC.
That's what I'm arguing against, because it is quite frankly the dumbest argument I've seen in months.
Kizaru vs Rayleigh does not provide sufficient information to determine the levels of AP of either party. You can be evenly matched whilst possessing varying levels of AP, and you can possess the same level of AP whilst using different abilities. Kuzan vs Garp is the perfect example to this - Kuzan matched Garp's ACoC with DF + CoA.
Gifting Kizaru not only CoC but even ACoC because he clashed with Rayleigh pre-TS before ACoC was ever a thing, is such a hilariously awful argument that I won't be wasting anymore of my time on it. Kizaru is still CoC-less, let alone ACoC-less and no evidence outside of headcanon suggests otherwise. Y'all can keep circle jerking if you like.
Is this the first time where we get 3 different summaries where every single on was lying? @NikaInParis i cant remember 
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