Break Week would Zoro have done things Differently than Sanji if he was in WCI?
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What Sanji was put to go through in WCI and the standards it set for his character from that point are way too complex to just insert Zoro in the situation out of nowhere.
Specially when it has so much to do with people Zoro holds in high standards such as Luffy and Sanji.
Oda really made all the efforts to make sure Sanji would go through that situation and try everything he could imagine that would make a difference and that makes sense to how he used to see himself (someone who always drew important responsabilities to his own even if it meant his end, and that didn’t imagine Luffy would go that far for the sake of having him back, even if it meant the crew falling apart, which Sanji feared the most)
It would require shifting the focus that should be given to Luffy and Sanji for the sake of Zoro not being left behind in the plot involving these two (not to mention the main antagonists such as Katakuri ang Big Mom).
Specially when it has so much to do with people Zoro holds in high standards such as Luffy and Sanji.
Oda really made all the efforts to make sure Sanji would go through that situation and try everything he could imagine that would make a difference and that makes sense to how he used to see himself (someone who always drew important responsabilities to his own even if it meant his end, and that didn’t imagine Luffy would go that far for the sake of having him back, even if it meant the crew falling apart, which Sanji feared the most)
It would require shifting the focus that should be given to Luffy and Sanji for the sake of Zoro not being left behind in the plot involving these two (not to mention the main antagonists such as Katakuri ang Big Mom).
Basing WCI on Sanji's character was simply a mistake.
On one end Oda showcase Jinbei resolves that Yonkou are no threats for the crewmate of future PK, while Sanji actual wing of PK subdues to same Yonkou threats.
Pre ts maybe, but post ts, with Sanji?
I'd die on the hill how Sanji was forced through for the plot was complete bs decision from Oda.
On one end Oda showcase Jinbei resolves that Yonkou are no threats for the crewmate of future PK, while Sanji actual wing of PK subdues to same Yonkou threats.
Pre ts maybe, but post ts, with Sanji?
I'd die on the hill how Sanji was forced through for the plot was complete bs decision from Oda.
Except that isn't merely about crying outside a 16 yo.
That was Sanji realizing everything he did to protect the crew and force himself to believe, through huge copium all the way through, that marrying Pudding and leaving his dreams and crew behind, or even possibly dying in a eventual treason by Big Mom and her crew, wasn't THAT bad, had made no difference at all. Literally the only possible ally in the enemy's side wasn't an ally all along.
The symbolism of Sanji trying to lit up his cigarette (something he always does with ease) but failling highlights how someone who always have a trick up his sleeve now finds himself completely out of hope.
You can't possible read everything Sanji did until that point and say that he is crying merely because of Pudding. Btw that doesn't even makes sense because what he saw was Reiju bleeding while Pudding revealed her evil side and the plans the Big Mom Pirates actually had in mind since the very start
That was Sanji realizing everything he did to protect the crew and force himself to believe, through huge copium all the way through, that marrying Pudding and leaving his dreams and crew behind, or even possibly dying in a eventual treason by Big Mom and her crew, wasn't THAT bad, had made no difference at all. Literally the only possible ally in the enemy's side wasn't an ally all along.
The symbolism of Sanji trying to lit up his cigarette (something he always does with ease) but failling highlights how someone who always have a trick up his sleeve now finds himself completely out of hope.
You can't possible read everything Sanji did until that point and say that he is crying merely because of Pudding. Btw that doesn't even makes sense because what he saw was Reiju bleeding while Pudding revealed her evil side and the plans the Big Mom Pirates actually had in mind since the very start
Oda wouldn't dare draw Zoro as helpless princess. NEVER. Oda wouldn't risk that, he knows the fans will ditch the Manga.
Zoro would rather die, maybe I'd have said same about Sanji had it not been happened. Didn't imagine him to be crying like a bitch until he did.
When it was time to reward Sanji for every low moments this arc, Oda again fails S fans by not letting Sanji save his Captain. WCI was Lowest point for Sanji.
Zoro would rather die, maybe I'd have said same about Sanji had it not been happened. Didn't imagine him to be crying like a bitch until he did.
When it was time to reward Sanji for every low moments this arc, Oda again fails S fans by not letting Sanji save his Captain. WCI was Lowest point for Sanji.
People really misunderstand WCI…
Sanji was fully planning on rejecting Pudding and refusing to submit to Big Mom. Sanji wasn’t scared or horny when he attempted to leave the crew, it’s that Judge threatened the one thing that Sanji believes makes him worthy of love and how he shows love himself, his cooking.
If sanji disobeyed or showed any inner conflict, judge would’ve blown up his hands so he’d never be able to cook again, literally the part of his body he’s made sure never to endanger for over 800 chapters at this point. Sanji wasn’t scared what big mom was going to do, he refused to live a life without cooking. The skill that connects him to his father, the skill that gave him friends and family, the skill that made his mother smile on her deathbed. If Sanjis mere life was in danger, there wouldn’t have been an issue. The problem was Sanji would’ve been forced to live a life without his greatest treasure in it. Something that we’ve seen people sacrifice for time and time again.
Sanji was fully planning on rejecting Pudding and refusing to submit to Big Mom. Sanji wasn’t scared or horny when he attempted to leave the crew, it’s that Judge threatened the one thing that Sanji believes makes him worthy of love and how he shows love himself, his cooking.
If sanji disobeyed or showed any inner conflict, judge would’ve blown up his hands so he’d never be able to cook again, literally the part of his body he’s made sure never to endanger for over 800 chapters at this point. Sanji wasn’t scared what big mom was going to do, he refused to live a life without cooking. The skill that connects him to his father, the skill that gave him friends and family, the skill that made his mother smile on her deathbed. If Sanjis mere life was in danger, there wouldn’t have been an issue. The problem was Sanji would’ve been forced to live a life without his greatest treasure in it. Something that we’ve seen people sacrifice for time and time again.
This isn't what he said tho, he said "A member of the future PK's crew can't fear a mere Younko of the Sea", and thats right, when you are in a team who has nothing to lose other than their own lives that they choose to put on the line for the sake of someone's dream (Luffy)
Sanji didn’t fear Big Mom for what she could do to him, he feared how his own self and his own decisions could reflect on the people he cares about (Zeff and Co, and the crew overall). He literally jumped her with Luffy to protect Reiju btw, he asked Zoro to try his best to kill him if he started behaving weird in Onigashima.
So this is mere interpretation of the statements and the moments the characters were set in. At the end of WCI, Jinbe didnt leave with the SHs so he could help the Sun Pirates to endure Big Mom's fleet, so this isn't Jinbe fearing Big Mom, but fearing for his old subbordinates and mates.
Sanji didn’t fear Big Mom for what she could do to him, he feared how his own self and his own decisions could reflect on the people he cares about (Zeff and Co, and the crew overall). He literally jumped her with Luffy to protect Reiju btw, he asked Zoro to try his best to kill him if he started behaving weird in Onigashima.
So this is mere interpretation of the statements and the moments the characters were set in. At the end of WCI, Jinbe didnt leave with the SHs so he could help the Sun Pirates to endure Big Mom's fleet, so this isn't Jinbe fearing Big Mom, but fearing for his old subbordinates and mates.
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I respect your opinion but disagree with it. A relevant part of the arc's focus was on Sanji's drama. Zoro doesn't share the layers and complexity Sanji does, specially after WCI, its a fact. By beginning with the fact that Zoro has nothing to care about that much to feel like he own his life to them like Sanji did other than Kuina (dead) and Luffy, and fighting challenging foes. You can't even imagine Zoro being put through the same situation without Oda having to establish a completely new background and situation to place him in, which is what he did for Sanji, duuh
Z and S don't need to be a copy of each other in every single aspect.
And besides, the most important is that the story isn't over, Sanji's character arc isn't done. A character can have a supposedly "low point" and it end up great or much greater than expected depending on what happens in the future when you look at the bigger picture.
You have Zoro fans dropping shit for so many reasons. Actually we could watch many of them complaining about the lack of focus on Zoro's character itself and its layers, internal conflicts, limitations to overcome and on what makes him someone more than a guy who cuts stuff and makes fighting poses.
Z and S don't need to be a copy of each other in every single aspect.
And besides, the most important is that the story isn't over, Sanji's character arc isn't done. A character can have a supposedly "low point" and it end up great or much greater than expected depending on what happens in the future when you look at the bigger picture.
You have Zoro fans dropping shit for so many reasons. Actually we could watch many of them complaining about the lack of focus on Zoro's character itself and its layers, internal conflicts, limitations to overcome and on what makes him someone more than a guy who cuts stuff and makes fighting poses.
