Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1155 Spoilers Discussion

The craziest thing of the spoilers

  • Xebec killing an admiral as a side quest

    Votes: 39 18.1%

  • Harald having top tier CoC clash with Xebec

    Votes: 21 9.8%

  • Xebec confronting Imu, threatening his seat and leaving while destroying the gate of justice

    Votes: 126 58.6%

  • Xebec being a unique swordsman

    Votes: 18 8.4%

  • Holy land security guards unable to stop Xebec kidnapping kings, and roaming freely

    Votes: 4 1.9%

  • Other

    Votes: 7 3.3%
  • Total voters
    215
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Welkin

Welkin

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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
It's even more tiring because most people have radical views on this stuff
There's one side that thinks Mihawk is the strongest character ever and he beats Xebec, and the other side thinks he's below Shanks and even below the Admirals too
Not many people have a good middle ground with it tbh
Not to mention they all can't ever accept that they're wrong
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It's the radicals and the stupidity of it all

I feel like when powerscaling other characters it's simpler because there are no stipulations. Simply compare the 2 characters and move on

But when anyone discusses Shanks and Mihawk (a matchup that is entirely decided by narrative rather than feats) it devolves into a nonsensical conversation about "what is swordsmanship" and "who qualifies as a swordsman"

Like when I come to a thread and the first thing I see is "Shanks could probably perform Divine Departure with a baseball bat so he isn't a swordsman" I automatically leave

And like you said it's one of the many core community defining debates that no one is willing to budge an inch on. So that makes it even worse
 
ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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#3,482
#3,482
Paperchampion23 said:
Why would it be underwhelming lol? If Mihawk is the pinnacle and Zoro's endgoal, then Mihawk should be his last fight then.

Im willing to believe that Mihawk is directly tied to Imu given their eyes and Mihawk's unknown history. It would not surprise me if that's where he'll be fought, around the same time as Imu.

Shiryu and Fujitora belong to Luffy's encounters with Blackbeard and Akainu respectively (now that Kizaru is effectively redundant).

At this point Im not convinced the Gorosei (including Nasurjuro) are even included in Zoro's fights. Maybe they are, but maybe they arent. Alternatively, an argument could be made for Garling given he also uses a sword, but same sentiment.

Mihawk is weird because objectively he doesnt fit into any particular faction and Cross Guild obviously isnt a real group thatll be fought unless they gain more notable members.
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If Mihawk strongest swordsman ever?
 
HA001

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
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#3,484
#3,484
ZenZu said:
That would explain why Mihawk and Shanks can be an extreme diff fight despite those showings, it doesn't explain the author drawing the Vista scene for Mihawk because WB, Xebec, Roger, Shanks, even old Ray some of them who are quite tame in personality will never be drawn, and have never been drawn in that manner.
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Shanks got ragdolled by higuma.
Roger died to fodder.

We judge them on their max
Mihawk hasn't even used a named attack.
 
ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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#3,487
#3,487
Honestly seeing this poll tells me God Damn this is gonna be one of the best chapters in a while

Xebec >>> Roger as a character and a fighter.
He's also an alpha male not a pussy ass bitch like Roger.
 
ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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#3,495
#3,495
ShishioIsBack said:
I see your point crystal clear, but you are willingly ignoring my point because I know you are smart enough to understand, Aokiji wasn't portrayed as "That close" to Aokiji on paper either, he was relegated to cheating to beat a YC2 and got tossed around by Marco while Akainu was portrayed as someone who can solo Whitebeard's entire crew.

But here is a thing tho, he did repeatedly portray Mihawk above Shanks
He spoon fed it to you through words again and again

Here is how Mihawk is introduced


This is how Mihawk's first meeting with Shanks on panel went


This is what Oda told us justification for Mihawk's Yonko Level Bounty


Even this "Sword skill" thing is Translator cope, in raw Japanese, he straight up says "Beyond Shanks"

This is one data book


This is another


When Oda is giving direct statement repeatedly not once
He hasn't even just given Mihawk the title and left it there, again and again he brings Shanks and paints him in inferior light to Mihawk in respective statements.

Mihawk's narrative and character conflict currently is that after Shanks lost an arm no one is strong enough to fight him.

So it is immature and childish approach to Manga to say Mihawk hasn't done what Shanks has done on panel.

Well no fucking shit, we haven't even seen Mihawk use conqueror's Haki or a named attack yet.

And Mihawk doesn't have a whole fleet, well now he does so if Cross Guild pulled up on an on-going war and Mihawk stopped Akianu, War is stopping as well.

3.6 Billion is not that far a threat level than 4 Billion.
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The only way to outwork these statements, Oda has to give Mihawk a direct anti-feat, otherwise it is narratively established again and again and again that Mihawk > Shanks.


Oda's opinion of Shanks and Mihawk was same in 2002 when Mihawk and Shanks were first shown interacting and same when Mihawk got his bounty in 2023 @ZenZu
 
Rootbeer

Rootbeer

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#3,496
When i read, the World Strongest Swordsman is above all Swordsmen..

It's like i'm reading someone claiming that Mihawk is the Strongest Swordsman purely based on Strength, nothing else, no Haki, no Black Blade, no Hawk Eyes powers, Straight up '''''' raw Strength ''''.. Mental Degeneracy at it's finest.. Keep it up Zoro fans!..

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