Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
We’re talking about a man who ran away from fodder Marines. Lol

There is a 0% chance that Rocks could beat even a Reverie Admiral through fair combat, he likely snuck him or used hostages as we know Rocks took hostages at the Reverie anyway. Y’all are twerking over Karasu vs Fujitora 2.0, this will only make you look stupid in the end.
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

I AM THE WHORAX. I FREAK FOR THE TREES.
People need to realize with characters like Zephy and Shiki literally nothing in the movie or databooks surrounding the movie are verified canon
Yep.

Only thing out of the movies that is canon is Chapter 0. Everything else is fake/potential guesswork.

Like, Strong World's plot is literally Wano on some levels; mutate animals to take over the world then drop giant islands down. That's literally the Gifters and move Onigashima plot but with way more steps (and... a better plot... than Kaido's... hehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)

Some stuff in the films CAN be canon, but we're just guessing. Like, take Film Red. Are Demon Lords probably real in One Piece? Yeah, look at Imu. Does Shanks probably have Observation Canceling? Yeah.

Do we know for sure? No.
 
Any tips? I'm excited for spoilers since Oda gave a portrait of 15-year-old Kaidou better than the Admiral in his prime, at 15 years old leaving an island completely in pieces while fighting Prime Rocks the Admiral Killer is insane, all this just with kanabo + haki + physical attributes, we're not even talking about Kaidou at the peak of his physical conditioning + DF + Haki, it's too insane.
 
I de-canonized your mother in my bedroom last night

Oda is not going to go back and retcon something existing with Zephyr, at best he’ll expand upon the events of Zephyr’s life but he’s not about to go rewrite something.

Anyway Zephyr isn’t in this chapter, at best we’ll get the implication that Silver Axe is a Marine spy but that’s it.

Y’all aren’t ready for the shit storm of when we see Rox running away from fodder Marines tho. Lol
“Existing with Zephyr”

You just showed some notes.

Shiki is an admiral if we’re using notes as canon now
 
Yeah but it’s just notes, same how Shiki is an admiral in his notes.
Not really the same thing, Golden Lion was an old concept that then got changed (like it happens to every character). Volume 1000 simply gives more details to Z backstory.
It's not *canon*, but it's not less canon than anything surrounding Z either as he still a movie only character for now
 
Ok cool. Doesn’t change the fact that your side by side scaling is flawed
The "side scaling" Is having the most important men alongside Rocks in Erbaf, and we know because of what we know about those two.

Saying that Stussy was there and so WB and Shiki were not RHM and LHM Is like saying Zoro and Sanji aren't because there was Nami with them.
 
Any tips? I'm excited for spoilers since Oda gave a portrait of 15-year-old Kaidou better than the Admiral in his prime, at 15 years old leaving an island completely in pieces while fighting Prime Rocks the Admiral Killer is insane, all this just with kanabo + haki + physical attributes, we're not even talking about Kaidou at the peak of his physical conditioning + DF + Haki, it's too insane.
this dude a retard

 
Not really the same thing, Golden Lion was an old concept that then got changed (like it happens to every character). Volume 1000 simply gives more details to Z backstory.
It's not *canon*, but it's not less canon than anything surrounding Z either as he still a movie only character for now
I would say nothing about Z is canon other than that he was an old era admiral. That’s it.

Now we can speculate how much from the movie is canon, but I don’t really see much of a point.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
“Existing with Zephyr”

You just showed some notes.

Shiki is an admiral if we’re using notes as canon now
Good point except hmmm oh wait a minute, Shiki was never an Admiral (clown)

The notes I posted were part of a volume release showing Zephyr’s narration surrounding the events of him capturing Weevil. They aren’t “some notes”, this was part of a volume release at the time of Film Z.
 
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