Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1157 Spoilers Discussion

[Bogard]

Sasori had the strongest Kazekage as his puppet, had someone as strong as Deidara calling him master

As far as this pair is concerned, the gap wasn't clear. When Kakashi and Naruto were chasing Deidara, he said Sasori was "maybe" stronger than him and its debatable that he may have said that only because he wanted Kakashi off his back to handle Naruto alone

Furthermore, he later on developed a new ability(C4, C0), and was working on genjutsu counters to fight Itachi and judging by his age, it could be understandable if he grew stronger over time during his time in the Akatsuki, and he even knew of Sasori's weakness, so match-up wise he might have aimed his hardest to target it directly

 

[RyoQ]

Kakuzu is probably one of the oldest members.

I just don't think Kisame was him. He wouldn't be paired with Itachi if he was. Akatsuki leader (as well as Kishi) would probably want him to lead a cell with a weaker member if he is the next strongest after Itachi. Kisame was never presented in this manner.

Kishi always took the time to make sure Kisame was portrayed clearly below JMan, and on par with Kakashi. Sasori had the strongest Kazekage as his puppet, had someone as strong as Deidara calling him master, and was toppling nations. He was never portrayed below Orochimaru the way Kisame put himself beneath Jiraiya.

Quite frankly Kisame's portrayal is fanfiction. It's his feats later on since he outlasted everyone which is making people rewrite his initial placement.

How do you rank the Akatsuki

 

[soupongo]

“A man who was strong enough to be paired with Itachi”

so for Kisame it´s hype, but not Hanafuda?

 

[Bullet]

Who could have known Naruto will end up being better than One piece without doing anything? 😭

 

[Wuuuke]

As far as this pair is concerned, the gap wasn't clear. When Kakashi and Naruto were chasing Deidara, he said Sasori was "maybe" stronger than him and its debatable that he may have said that only because he wanted Kakashi off his back to handle Naruto alone

Furthermore, he later on developed a new ability(C4, C0), and was working on genjutsu counters to fight Itachi and judging by his age, it could be understandable if he grew stronger over time during his time in the Akatsuki, and he even knew of Sasori's weakness, so match-up wise he might have aimed his hardest to target it directly

No it is rather clear, especially considering Deidara's immense pride and hatred of inferiority, and we have a very good direct comparison for The Third Kazekage being stronger than Rasa, who was comparable to War Arc Gaara, who should be considerably stronger than his start of series self who was able to tag Deidara with his sand

Sasori hits Deidara with his poison sand once and he dies. At best, he uses C0 and it's maybe a draw at best

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Kakuzu is probably one of the oldest members.

I just don't think Kisame was him. He wouldn't be paired with Itachi if he was. Akatsuki leader (as well as Kishi) would probably want him to lead a cell with a weaker member if he is the next strongest after Itachi. Kisame was never presented in this manner.

Kishi always took the time to make sure Kisame was portrayed clearly below JMan, and on par with Kakashi. Sasori had the strongest Kazekage as his puppet, had someone as strong as Deidara calling him master, and was toppling nations. He was never portrayed below Orochimaru the way Kisame put himself beneath Jiraiya.

Quite frankly Kisame's portrayal is fanfiction. It's his feats later on since he outlasted everyone which is making people rewrite his initial placement.

Based Kakuzu upscale, you love to see it. Reminder that Kakuzu could have killed Hashirama

 

[Wuuuke]

I will not allow people arguing about Kisame to turn into Kakuzu respect that guy sucks ass

 

[S.W317]

We should rename coc ro color of cucks

Cause 90% of the clowns who have it a cucks and simps

You fucking bitch, just shut the fuck up before I beat the living shit out of you, you monkey.
Shut up and don’t talk, you just keep talking and crashing out, if you did this shit in front of me I’m whooping your ass, stop whining, what’s done is done. Pussy!

 

[soupongo]

I will not allow people arguing about Kisame to turn into Kakuzu respect that guy sucks ass

I don´t think you can get around him being sent to kill Hashirama though. Unless we assume his village was full of ignorant retards, which is maybe true, but he did survive

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

No he didn't. He was talking about surviving Kakuzu's attack which was gonna obliterate him. He would have used kamui on the incoming attack and bought himself some time.

Kamui at that time couldn't even solve Kakuzu as busted as it is. He attacks from too many angles and has multiple hearts that can revive him.

Nor does it matter because Kakashi who was portrayed to be a threat to Kisame didn't have Kamui.

Lol you can suck on the Part 1 Portrayal, it doesn't help your argument when Kisame later is handpicked by Obito to join the Akatsuki, later told he's strong enough to be partnered with Itachi by Yamato (who's only reference is Kakuzu), who has Perfect Jinchuuriki levels of confirmed hype and fights solo against a perfect jinchuuriki when the Akatsuki are meant to take on incomplete Jin.'s with teams.

Hell, he even took on a semi-perfect 4 tails that could use TBB by himself.

Toshi please reread the manga before saying this shit lol, Kakuzu is literally two meters in front of Kakuzu with all his hearts at close range. Kakashi's Kamui is 100% hitting and taking out Kakuzu at this moment. Even if the first isn't, nothing prevents Kakashi from using a second to finish Kakuzu off.

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Likewise if he were to just kamui away the attack, he'd have needed to act before it was used. He cannot Kamui away the big ballooning fire bomb, his skills with the mangkeyou sharingan are pretty subpar until the Pain Arc and we don't see him attempt anything this big until the Gedo Statue circa #595.

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Something this large is impossible for Kakashi to take down and it's not like he can place Kamui right in front of the attack's path, it's going to expand in nearly all directions like the panel shows.

Kakashi even acts nonchalant about Kakuzu not forcing him to use the mangkeyou sharingan lol

 

[Wuuuke]

I don´t think you can get around him being sent to kill Hashirama though. Unless we assume his village was full of ignorant retards, which is maybe true, but he did survive

I mean maybe if we never saw him do anything on screen sure but we literally see he's much closer to characters on Kakashi and Asuma's level than characters on even Pain's level, much less Hashirama

The guy is just not really impressive

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Akainu fans you're finnished your goat asked for shakky pics

People be actually editing the end of joke SBS for agenda now, what the hell is wrong with this fandom

https://x.com/OgHumanTripod/status/1955364254703566926

 

[MonsterZoro]

Silver axe devil fruit is shit

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I mean we also have Hashirama saying that Madara once being revived through the Rinne Tensei is "regaining his past strength" which to me is another indication that the Edo Tensei's weren't quite on the same level as their alive counterparts, just much closer than they were compared to Orochimaru's usage of it in part 1, which is an effective method of explaining away the blatant power creep

Madara was also brought back greater than his Prime though, so it's not like he should be any less powerful unless Hashirama just means literal physical strength.

 

[Shiroyru]

Did you fold on Deidara>Orochimaru lmao?

Yeah I was just trolling

 

[ZenZu]

How do you rank the Akatsuki

If you look at the totals of their stats from databook 3. Kishimoto subconsciously ranked the members.

1.Itachi - 35.5
2.Sasori/Orochimaru - 35
4.Kakuzu/Kisame - 32.5
5.Deidara - 32
6.Hidan - 31.5

Now I'm not saying this is end all be all, but there are too many things pointing to Itachi, Sasori, and Orochimaru being a clear notch above the rest. Then it's Kakuzu for me, then Kisame, then Deidara, then Hidan.

This is strictly based off portrayal imo.

 

[Wuuuke]

Madara was also brought back greater than his Prime though, so it's not like he should be any less powerful unless Hashirama just means literal physical strength.

That gets immediately questioned by Madara himself which makes sense since Kabuto should have zero reference for how strong Madara actually was when alive, and then gets directly contradicted by Hashiramas statement about him regaining his past strength after Rinne Tensei, and nobody knows Madaras own strength better than Hashirama

 

[Shiroyru]

so for Kisame it´s hype, but not Hanafuda?

Kishimoto is not Oda.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Something is yet to be revealed about Rocks. Imu didn't kill him when he reached flower room and now they want Herald to kill Rocks.

I think this harkens back to York talking to Mars about racking up "sins".

IMO, Imu's twisting the rules of the world to rule it, and isn't able to kill people directly; hence possessing Gunko.

Imu's "sins" are passed down to others, so Imu doesn't commit "sin" themselves.

York is a Vegapunk, if she says Sin is important, it is.

 

[Shiroyru]

If you look at the totals of their stats from databook 3. Kishimoto subconsciously ranked the members.

1.Itachi - 35.5
2.Sasori/Orochimaru - 35
4.Kakuzu/Kisame - 32.5
5.Deidara - 32
6.Hidan - 31.5

Now I'm not saying this is end all be all, but there are too many things pointing to Itachi, Sasori, and Orochimaru being a clear notch above the rest. Then it's Kakuzu for me, then Kisame, then Deidara, then Hidan.

This is strictly based off portrayal imo.

Has any manga ever had a datebooks stats section that makes any sense lol?

Even HxH’s databooks give Bisky higher stats than Royal Guards lol, and you’d think that Togashi would be the one mangaka to actually care about that shit