Character Discussion I Must Admit, Rocks D Xebec Is The Man, Stop Comparing Rival Man To Him

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#1
I have to say, I was completely wrong about Xebec being a fraud. This guy really is THE pirate, he is the real pirate king unlike rival man, his accomplishments are tiers beyond what any other pirate in this manga has ever achieved.

Let’s completely forget that Rocks killed an Admiral and just look at the things we’ve actually seen him do.

While Rocks’s subordinate Whitebeard ran away from fodder Marines:


Rocks just sinks every ship that comes after him:



He showed us by far the biggest CoC clash of all time with Harald while he was wounded:


Unlike rival man who’s CoC could only span a minuscule island with Whitebeard,

He fucking laid eyes on Imu


He destroyed the damn Gates of Justice:

I mean this dude is just completely insane. I literally can’t fathom anyone who even thinks rival man even deserves to be compared to Rocks at all when rival man had to team up with rival #3 (Garp) to defeat Rocks, and Rocks was very likely betrayed at God Valley anyway since his crew are constantly battling themselves.

Sure rival man became the chicken king, but let’s look at rival man’s career:
1. Could never defeat Rocks’s first mate in combat

2. Was literally saved from being annihilated by Rocks’s #3 by a miraculous storm

3. Chickened out against Rocks’s subordinate Big Job who was killed by Kid and Law


Another point to make is that Rocks literally has zero rivals. No characters have ever been said to be his equals, he is literally a peerless pirate who subordinated 3 out of rival man’s 7 rivals (Whitebeard, Shiki, Silver Axe). Oda never gave Rocks a rival that was killed by rookie Ace, he was just inarguably the strongest Pirate of his era and a threat that threatened the existence of the World Government itself.

Gold Dodger doesn’t even have any accomplishments on par with just a single feat from Rocks, Rocks really is the goddamn man and I can’t deny it anymore. He is the strongest criminal in the history of this manga and no other pirates can even sniff his rocks if you catch my drift



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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#8
I would still place him in the same Tier.

There's nothing Xebec did that Roger couldn't.
He chose the other path.

And this is just recency bias. Roger is Goated as Xebec. Alongside Whitebeard and Garp.
Literally nothing rival man ever accomplished in his whole career can be compared to Rocks, Rival man found a treasure no one cared about through not beating anyone and dodging fights, Rocks almost destroyed the Government.

It is never said roger needed garp to beat rocks but rather roger needed garp to beat rocks pirates as a whole.
Why do people always ignore that the Holy Knights and potentially Saturn helped Roger and Garp. Lol

It wasn’t just Rival man and Garp vs the whole crew, they literally had several top WG fighters helping them.
 
#9
Literally nothing rival man ever accomplished in his whole career can be compared to Rocks, Rival man found a treasure no one cared about through not beating anyone and dodging fights, Rocks almost destroyed the Government.



Why do people always ignore that the Holy Knights and potentially Saturn helped Roger and Garp. Lol

It wasn’t just Rival man and Garp vs the whole crew, they literally had several top WG fighters helping them.
I never said it was only roger and garp per say. Just pointed the false assumption that roger and garp 2v1 rocks.
 
#10
Literally nothing rival man ever accomplished in his whole career can be compared to Rocks, Rival man found a treasure no one cared about through not beating anyone and dodging fights, Rocks almost destroyed the Government.
Infiltration into Holy land? Even Fisher Tiger did it.
beating An admiral ? Even roger could do it.
Running away when you're surrounded? Roger refused to run away when Shiki came to fight with even bigger fleet than marines.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#11
I never said it was only roger and garp per say. Just pointed the false assumption that roger and garp 2v1 rocks.
You said Garp and Roger had to fight Rocks’s whole crew, which is wrong. The Holy Knights and Saturn were fighting alongside Roger and Garp. Hell Roger even had rivals #6 and 7 in Rayleigh and Gaban with him.

Rival man had so many rivals helping him, it may have been Rocks who had the numerical disadvantage.
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Infiltration into Holy land? Even Fisher Tiger did it.
beating An admiral ? Even roger could do it.
Running away when you're surrounded? Roger refused to run away when Shiki came to fight with even bigger fleet than marines.
The strongest opponent Roger ever defeated was that random Vice Admiral. Lol

Roger literally ran away from Shiki btw, do you need to reread? Shiki was about to end him before a random miraculous storm saved him.

Show me one miraculous storm that saved Xebec at any point. Lol
 
#15
Rocks is definitely a better character than Roger in every way possible but strength-wise? —They’re nigh-equals, just wait for a couple more chapters and see for yourself. I’ll be on the right side of history for this one. Even their fighting styles are a 1:1, their stances and use of haki… Rocks is literally just using Divine Departure type of attacks.
 
#19
Roger was assertive and a team player.

Rocks was aggressive and didn't work well in groups.

That's probably the main difference.

It's noticable that Roger's crew was very careful, and Rocks' crew was very reckless.

The entire idea of both of them being pirates likely relates to the beliefs and values of the Ancient Kingdom. Additionally, the ambiguity of pirate actions lends itself to the ambiguity of the Ancient Kingdom. It's all in a gray area, and they're removed from moral high ground to begin with.

I feel this is why Vegapunk said he didn't know who to judge as right or wrong during the conflicts in the past. The beliefs and values were considered to be advanced, and the pirates also fall in line with these advanced beliefs and values conveniently.
 
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