Chapter Discussion ONE PIECE CHAPTER: 1158: ROCKS VS HARALD
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I think it might be because there was no goal back then. No one piece. So pirate crews were just out and about, plundering and stuff. Even if others were plundering, you still could get your share too.
Also because the main pirate crew of today, the protags, are a bunch of teenagers.
We need to see shank crew and bb crew drink like this in a bar for it to be equal to the rocks era stuff. Random pirates are still doing pirate things. But all the top tier pirate crews are too up tight and competitive now because of the one piece.
Also because the main pirate crew of today, the protags, are a bunch of teenagers.
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We need to see shank crew and bb crew drink like this in a bar for it to be equal to the rocks era stuff. Random pirates are still doing pirate things. But all the top tier pirate crews are too up tight and competitive now because of the one piece.
@Worstgenhq You HAVE to post this on X.
Godamn this hits hard. OP artists spoiling us as always, as in a treat, a good way I mean.
I saw someone on reddit point out all the swords marked as graves for his former crew around his own grave in Ringo. Western style swords so definitely outsider pirates and not samurai natives ofc.
The swords were on barrels too.
I saw someone on reddit point out all the swords marked as graves for his former crew around his own grave in Ringo. Western style swords so definitely outsider pirates and not samurai natives ofc.
The swords were on barrels too.
It's impressive Oda can still pull out these far-fetched reveals this late into the series, that no-one sees coming but makes somewhat sense. Moria being a Kozuki seems so out of nowhere and random almost like if "Whirlpool" Squard is actually connected to the man with the burn scar. But the fact there's some wordplay on the Japanese Kanji Kozuki names leaves room for it actually being "planned".
I think this is overlooking the facts and circumstances under which Rocks and Harald met.
Rocks invaded and declared war to Imu’s face.
As revealing as people claim these flashbacks are - we are no closer to knowing or understanding what Rocks knew and understood years ago when he challenged Imu.
Rocks appears significantly older than Roger and seems to know more about the truth of the world, and, like his son, he was on the hunt for particular DF.
Rocks certainly shares some traits with Luffy, but he is fundamentally a violent person, and more akin to an actual pirate and criminal than Luffy.
Nothing so far suggest Sengoku had it wrong on his ambition to rule the world.
Rocks invaded and declared war to Imu’s face.
As revealing as people claim these flashbacks are - we are no closer to knowing or understanding what Rocks knew and understood years ago when he challenged Imu.
Rocks appears significantly older than Roger and seems to know more about the truth of the world, and, like his son, he was on the hunt for particular DF.
Rocks certainly shares some traits with Luffy, but he is fundamentally a violent person, and more akin to an actual pirate and criminal than Luffy.
Nothing so far suggest Sengoku had it wrong on his ambition to rule the world.
whih major player isnt evil then?
serious help lol
yawn.
you've both clearly never read or watched a psychologic themed piece of work to understand what evil is.
this is a manga about PIRATES, for context PIracy means to attack/violence & rob ships at sea, this is the original definition of piracy &this is a Pirate defined: someone who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without having a commission from any sovereign nation.
so all pirates are evil in the grand scheme of One Piece..
you do realize how many towns the SHs destroyed or the things theyve done for personal gain, Luffy literally infiltrated a prison system then freed notorious criminals via a mass jailbreak, is luffy evil now, hell he even freed Croc, let Cesar go after everything he has done to the kids, he attempted to assassinate BM during the Wedding, not to mention the countless fodder & no named marines that the SH have destroyed and most likely killed throughout their journeys. woah Rocks Pirates destroyed towns so have SHs, Arlong Park in Cocoyashi Village, the outer limits of Drum Island, Mock Town on Jaya, and the White-White Sea area of Skypiea, didnt he also destroy multiple city blocks in DR and even fold the island in half...
"He was just destroying some towns and a kingdom. What's so evil about it" - this guy. 
yawn.
you've both clearly never read or watched a psychologic themed piece of work to understand what evil is.
this is a manga about PIRATES, for context PIracy means to attack/violence & rob ships at sea, this is the original definition of piracy &this is a Pirate defined: someone who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without having a commission from any sovereign nation.
so all pirates are evil in the grand scheme of One Piece..
you do realize how many towns the SHs destroyed or the things theyve done for personal gain, Luffy literally infiltrated a prison system then freed notorious criminals via a mass jailbreak, is luffy evil now, hell he even freed Croc, let Cesar go after everything he has done to the kids, he attempted to assassinate BM during the Wedding, not to mention the countless fodder & no named marines that the SH have destroyed and most likely killed throughout their journeys. woah Rocks Pirates destroyed towns so have SHs, Arlong Park in Cocoyashi Village, the outer limits of Drum Island, Mock Town on Jaya, and the White-White Sea area of Skypiea, didnt he also destroy multiple city blocks in DR and even fold the island in half...
I love it when he goes back and repurpouses stuff from way back in a way thay makes sense.
I hate it when it is inevitably refered to as foreshadowing by some fans. Imo it's more impressive for an author to rememeber minor plot points and then find new uses for them then to stick to some mega master plan where everything is le foreshadow (impossible in this ever expanding weekly manga environment anyway)
Sorry for the aimless rant
I hate it when it is inevitably refered to as foreshadowing by some fans. Imo it's more impressive for an author to rememeber minor plot points and then find new uses for them then to stick to some mega master plan where everything is le foreshadow (impossible in this ever expanding weekly manga environment anyway)
Sorry for the aimless rant
I love it when he goes back and repurpouses stuff from way back in a way thay makes sense.
I hate it when it is inevitably refered to as foreshadowing by some fans. Imo it's more impressive for an author to rememeber minor plot points and then find new uses for them then to stick to some mega master plan where everything is le foreshadow (impossible in this ever expanding weekly manga environment anyway)
Sorry for the aimless rant
I hate it when it is inevitably refered to as foreshadowing by some fans. Imo it's more impressive for an author to rememeber minor plot points and then find new uses for them then to stick to some mega master plan where everything is le foreshadow (impossible in this ever expanding weekly manga environment anyway)
Sorry for the aimless rant
Oda is not some Aizen of the industry with everything according to his keikaku ofc, he couldn't planned out every little thing in this almost 30+ year series ofc.
I'm glad he's honest about forgetting things and having to rely on the wiki, the community to help.
Him doing things this way in the way you described makes the story feel more organic then, rather than some overly meticulous, rigid, complex web of ideas that can never stray from the path and must adhere strictly to the designated route, the plan only.
Odas messages about what he didn't plan to include, things he didn't expect to happen and his feeling in general are very respectfully and bravely honest. I appreciate him for doing that despite my infinite toxic slander of him lol.
Exactly too, the infinitely expanding manga universe, just like western comics too ofc. Just like the universe is supposed to be endlessly expanding allegedly and thus impossible to measure and predict, to truly comprehend, so is the OP world and story.
Oda still manages to fool and surprise us with blindsiders, "retcons" and such and he's keeping us on his wild good chase, on our toes despite the story feeling more formulaic and predictable though and losing its adventurous, whimsical vibes somewhat.
I think this is the second chapter in a row Ganzui doesn't appear. Please CL²³oda reveal his DF before killing him off. His full body design would also be great 
I've just realised he did appear in the background of some 1157 panels. Not enough, I need more
I've just realised he did appear in the background of some 1157 panels. Not enough, I need more
LMAO, I'm listening to "X is Gonna Give It To Ya" by Will of DMX ofc and he said "WHERE MY NIKAS AT!?" when I read your post. I changed a certain word there ofc.
Gil when he shows up finally:
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Reddit feeling the same vibes as you Gil fans too, although I know I'm gonna be a big fan of Gil too since he's a gunslinger ofc lol:
I love his name is one letter from bastard haha. Even funnier that bastard is a type of sword too.
It's quite sad all these legends are already dead in present too:
Gil when he shows up finally:
1:00
Reddit feeling the same vibes as you Gil fans too, although I know I'm gonna be a big fan of Gil too since he's a gunslinger ofc lol:
I love his name is one letter from bastard haha. Even funnier that bastard is a type of sword too.
It's quite sad all these legends are already dead in present too: