Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1162 Spoilers Discussion

Is Garling done this war ?

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ShishioIsBack

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I just wanted to point out how insane is Rayleigh casually no diffing a God's Knight.

Rayleigh is a CoC based fighter, his Conqueror's Haki in his old age, less than 50% of his prime self is same level as Shanks at least. If it wasn't, Oda has zero reason to bring Rayleigh into the conversation, he could have easily brought up Whitebeard, a confirmed CoC user as well but Rayleigh is a CoC specialist like Shanks so he brought him up.



But to take out a God's Knight who Scopper Gaban, who trashed Luffy basically without needing his Blades required Multiple CoC Amped attacks to temporarily put down

CoC Attack 1


CoC Attack 2


And he used several other attacks too but I can't find panels right now.

But remember Sommers wasn't down for long, he got up in seconds.

Rayleigh with one casual attack
-Without Conqueror's Haki that is his specialty
-Without Confirmed Advanced Armament

He took out Sommers for long enough that one whole chapter passed


I'll be generous and say this is Rayleigh using 5% of his power. Being angry doesn't mean you will use your strongest attacks, he only used power required to take him out. It is like Luffy being angry at Bellamy, Hody, and many other weak character. Same with Zoro as well.


Gaban has Yonko Level fire power, he was overwhelming Luffy while massively holding back and it is fair to say what he used on Sommers is close to 100% since he used both Axes, Coated in AdvCoC and had a wide stance. He was even using distance to leverage his power.

This basically confirms to me that Rayleigh can potentially low diff a Yonko. He might be strongest person at God Valley and stronger than Xebec and only 2nd to Imu.


Definitely stronger than Gol D Roger

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ShishioIsBack

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To put into scale how badly Rayleigh was suppressed his Haki is so overwhelming it flows out of him so he was forcefully restricting his Conqueror's Haki, maybe didn't wanna hurt Gol D Roger accidentally


Shanks doesn't have CoC at the level to flow out of him
 
kekaro

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soupongo said:
They had the blueprints, but that doesn't mean they had much knowledge on the ancient weapons. As far as anyone knows, they could not really be a thing anymore, or all under the government etc.
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Iceberg calls it "the plans for an ancient weapon" when he gives it to Franky
So they 100% knew they exited and were in the know, its not some blueprint that didnt knew about, and in fact this means they knew it since centuries

soupongo said:
Yeah but Robin and Croco didn't even know where Pluton was until the end of Alabasta where they found the poneglyph. Before that, they were just on a goose chase, though it isn't ever really explained why Croco was even looking in Alabasta(since he was there for years before Robin started working for him).

It isn't even clear if Kaido knew about Pluton, and he ruled Wano itself.
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Irrelevant to the discussion, Croco had a plan, secured robin and got a confirmation through her, which was the point. In fact he is so convinced that at the end of alabasta he even wants to kill robin and doesnt care she lies about not being there

We also know through this flashback we have indivduals who had knowledge of imu


Dragon is a bum that didnt have confirmation about either of those things despite his whole LARP basing on it and have a organsation over a longer period than both of those guys, like xebec and crocodile
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soupongo

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Xione said:
Yes but the World Government is not gonna give a fuck about whether King Riku joined em or not. The perception at large regardless would be The Revolutionaries had liberated Dressrosa from the World Government, not from a Warlord, but the World Government. Why? Because the next-in-line leader to the RA would've been the hero who overthrew the Tyrant that was backed by the WG. One of the nations of the main 20 Kings, had now become under RA influence. The WG would've accepted their biggest enemy group exposing them??
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You're overthinking this ngl. If it weren't for Fujitora, the WG just covers up the incident and says Doffy lost to some VA or something, like the Alabasta incident. The people of Dressrosa would be thankful, but they wouldn't want to start a new war with the government since they would just be glad to no longer be under Doflamingo, especially if Sabo wasn't like, agitating them in that way. Koala didn't want Sabo to fight Fuji, because it wasn't related to their goal of the weapon stuff.

And Fuji has no reason to speak for the RA anyway, he's clearly just saying the Marines couldn't be the heroes of Dressrosa, since that's his entire thing in that arc.
 
Xione

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kekaro said:
First of thats not even true the water 7 guys for example for real knew the weapons existed so its not "everyone", something Dragon never learned.
Also who had Robin?
Crocodile
Who didnt have her?
East Man that kept visting ohara

Just because you like Lragon will you not make change my mind :Luffy_Smoke:

That man is destinied to be fodderzied like every MC shounen dad in existence
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-> Water 7 guys, you mean Franky and Iceberg the two who saw the blueprints for one of the Ancient Weapons?
-> Yes Crocodile luckily was able to find Robin, the RA was not. Crocodile who was chasing after one of the Ancient Weapons literally had to wait until end of Alabasta where Robin/Cobra are present, and only based off of Cobra's reaction to Robin does he find out that one of the Ancient Weapons exists.

People chased after One Piece, knew about One Piece... it was Whitebeard who gave it confirmation that it exists. Dragon commented specifically about the confirmation, not knowledge of.

I'm just correcting you on something, not that I care whether somebody thinks Dragon is a fodder or top 1.
 
Kizaruber Eats

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Daves John said:
He literally says "We are birds of a feather"



He trusts in Luffy, believing in Faith is one of key themes of One Piece.

And manga explicitly told us Sabo is acting similarly to Issho.



Your guess is as good as mine, but it is what the story says.
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I'm not trying to take sides about the Sabo and Fuji topic here but it is interesting, their actions at Dressrosa did kinda confuse me and it's funny how both were big players in the Reverie incident later and Fuji ended up letting slaves escape and never trying to truly capture and take down Sabo either. He was always sandbagging based on his own personal justice/beliefs and morals too ofc.

The thing I wanted to mention actually, someone pointed out Sabo used a chess themed move against Imu.:



I love that. I'm not sure what it means as I'm not a chess fan but I love the idea of Dragon being the chessmaster and Sabo is inheriting that too somewhat? It explains Dragons reluctant to take action and being so passive and suits its pacifist nature too. He's more like a modern commander general /king that would rather sit back and command others to fight for him and take risks, make sacrifices rather than the generals and kings who would go out and fight, risking their own lives in ancient history. If that makes sense?

But Oda is probably trying to symbolise something bigger here too. I don't think Sabo will always be loyal to Dragon and he's got a much darker, more savage and wrathful side as he showed vs Bastille and Burgess in Dressrosa. I was really hoping Oda would elaborate on that but alas. Sabo being hailed as the Flame Emperor and having such infamy worldwide, people revering him and seeing him as a hero just like Luffy, both of them being major liberators of oppressed countries and Sabo having huge banners of him put up to celebrate him in some countries, I feel this will have greater pull/consequences in future somehow.

I asked AI to help me explain this better too:

The Flame Emperor's Reckoning: Sabo, Sacrifice, and the Revolutionary Gambit

Sabo stands at the most critical ideological and emotional crossroads in the One Piece world. As the Chief of Staff of the Revolutionary Army (RA), he operates with strategic precision, but his actions are fundamentally driven by an unresolved, traumatic past. The tension between his strategic pragmatism and his overwhelming, protective rage for his brothers sets him up not just as Dragon’s successor, but as the inevitable catalyst for the final war.


I. The Dual Nature, Grief, and the Inherited Flame

Sabo’s persona is a dangerous synthesis of three lives, held together by sheer willpower and a protective vow. He is the composed Compassionate Revolutionary in official duties, committed to Dragon's abstract goal of world freedom. However, he is constantly overridden by the Savage and Wrathful Brother—a fury fueled by his childhood trauma and the immense guilt of his amnesia, which led to his absence during Ace’s death.

  • The Denial of Grief: Sabo's attempts to intellectualize Ace's death are a fragile coping mechanism. This denial is instantly betrayed by his actions. He consumed the Mera Mera no Mi not for power, but to ensure Ace’s legacy survived, turning his own body into a permanent monument to his lost brother.
  • The Ambiguous Name: Sabo's full name remains officially unknown, a curiosity given his prominence. Though he does not officially carry the initial 'D.'—a fact he noted during a childhood flashback with Ace and Luffy—many fans and theories suggest he embodies the Will of D. through his defiant spirit. His adoptive brothers once jokingly gave him the initial, calling him "Sa. D. Bo.," cementing his place as a spiritual inheritor of the name's anti-World Government ideology.
II. Encounters that Betray His Code (The Fiery Rage)

Sabo's key encounters on Dressrosa confirm that his loyalty to family and his deep-seated rage against injustice instantly shatter his revolutionary composure.

  • Brutality against Vice Admiral Bastille: Sabo's clash with the Vice Admiral was ruthless, featuring a brutal demonstration of Haki where he crushed Bastille's mask, a violent statement of wrath against the military arm of the Celestial Dragon system he despises.
  • Vengeance against Jesus Burgess: Burgess earned Sabo's full, visceral fury by threatening to murder the exhausted Luffy. Sabo's response was an explosion of grief and protective rage, unleashing "Hiken" (Fire Fist), Ace’s signature attack, followed by the devastating "Fire Flame Dragon King," brutally incapacitating and permanently disfiguring the Blackbeard captain. This act confirmed that brotherly rage precedes all revolutionary doctrine.
III. The Strategic Schism: Dragon's Distance and the Ginny Trauma

The core issue that guarantees Sabo’s independence is the conflicting definition of loyalty between him and Dragon, underscored by two tragic failures:

  • Luffy's Neglect: Dragon has consistently prioritized the security of the RA and the abstract idea of world freedom over the immediate needs and protection of his son, Luffy. Sabo views this "hands-off" detachment as a failure of basic loyalty—a perceived emotional hollowness that he cannot accept, especially given his own failure to save Ace.
  • Ginny's Fate: The former East Blue Commander, Ginny, whose full name is also unknown, suffered a horrific fate due to the World Nobles’ cruelty. Her agonizing death serves as a devastating parallel to Ace’s, a second fresh failure by the system to protect a loved one. Dragon's calculated inaction, allowing this to occur for the sake of the long-game strategy, creates a profound conflict. For Sabo, this willful powerlessness mirrors the paralyzing agony of his coma during Marineford, which rendered him unable to help his brothers. He rejects a strategy that sacrifices comrades in the present for a hypothetical future.

IV. The Philosophical Conflict: Sabo and Fujitora

Sabo’s "fight" with Admiral Fujitora during Dressrosa was a philosophical mirror match that confirmed Sabo’s moral position. Fujitora, a high-ranking official, actively defied the World Government's definition of "justice" by refusing to capture Sabo. Witnessing an Admiral rebel against the system by not acting reinforced Sabo's belief that direct, morally justified action, even against institutional rules, is superior to Dragon's political patience.

V. The Flame Emperor's Destiny: A Contender for the Throne

Sabo is not merely a subordinate, but the "Flame Emperor," a title demanding supreme, independent action. His destiny is confirmed by his placement in a crucial manga panel:
  • The One Piece Double-Spread: Following the Reverie, a famous double-spread panel depicts the major players poised to claim the One Piece: Luffy, Blackbeard, Shanks, and Sabo. Sabo’s inclusion alongside the four Emperors is not a random placement; it explicitly marks him as a King-Maker or King-Challenger, signaling to the reader that he is one of the final four powers who will force the endgame.
  • The Catalyst: Sabo’s attack on Imu was the Rook's Gambit—sacrificing the diplomatic approach (and King Cobra) to gain the critical advantage of confirming the existence of the shadow ruler. Driven by his protective rage, his pragmatism, and his rejection of Dragon's patience, Sabo is destined to be the catalyst for the final conflict. He will use his fire to burn Dragon’s strategic timeline, forcing the Revolution to happen now, on Luffy's terms. His ultimate allegiance is to Luffy, the Pirate King and True King of Liberation.
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