Character Discussion Wasn't Xebec supposed to be evil or something?
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This is what people who take everything at face value don't get. Not everything is THE TRUTH even if it is said or claimed by certain characters. Even the narrator lies, the introduction boxes lie etc. I remember the time when Whitebeard's title of 'World's Strongest Man" was the biggest thing, but now we have Rocks (arguably the strongest character outside Imu) who has no titles whatsoever–and nobody gives a shit lol. Rocks clearly should have had the strongest pirate title, and yet he didn't. It just shows that everything in one piece is just a chapter away from BS.
The pretext of training doesn’t excuse beating up a kid until he’s black and blue. You’re justifying animal and child abuse from “good characters” when what they did isn’t any different from what Xebec did if we’re really talking about morality. It was a gag for Loki too, the story never made a big deal out of it. Point is that one bad action from any of these guys isn’t enough to categorise them into evil characters.
I’ve already said that the so-called narrated crimes leave plenty of room for doubt. That’s not asking for spoon feeding, it’s logical skepticism. You can get the false impression of Roger being evil too, based on how his crimes were presented. It’s probably propaganda, just like when the narrator first painted Whitebeard as a demon.
Oda even directly contrasted Xebec with a World Government agent in the same chapter. Xebec didn’t harm any civilians, Whitebeard was the one who destroyed the town, and the town itself was full of corrupt scum. The WG manipulated Harald and murdered in cold blood, both actions disgusting Harald and Xebec pointing it out.
Xebec used the kings solely to mess with Imu, that was clearly stated. We don’t even know what happened to them afterward. They’re likely fine since Xebec’s highlighted crime in that entire incident was killing the admiral. If he had harmed or killed the kings, that would have been emphasized too.
And I was talking about the action of killing an admiral itself, that’s not evil, it’s kill or be killed. If Luffy kills Imu in a fight, that doesn’t make Luffy evil. If Whitebeard kills Akainu in a fight, that doesn’t make him evil.
We’re not talking about evil from the perspective of ordinary citizens. We’re talking about the morality of the character himself.
We already know that most of Xebec’s actions were driven by a clear goal, which is to kill Imu, and oppose his entire army. He may be ruthless in pursuit of that goal, but he also shows traits we usually associate with a good guy, like a sense of honor and fairness.
It's not like we have to be spoon fed. It was said that towns were erased from maps. I think it was quite enough. One kindom in ruin:
How can any of this even be remotely good from a normal dude's perspective?
How can any of this even be remotely good from a normal dude's perspective?
Oda even directly contrasted Xebec with a World Government agent in the same chapter. Xebec didn’t harm any civilians, Whitebeard was the one who destroyed the town, and the town itself was full of corrupt scum. The WG manipulated Harald and murdered in cold blood, both actions disgusting Harald and Xebec pointing it out.
Xebec used the kings solely to mess with Imu, that was clearly stated. We don’t even know what happened to them afterward. They’re likely fine since Xebec’s highlighted crime in that entire incident was killing the admiral. If he had harmed or killed the kings, that would have been emphasized too.
And I was talking about the action of killing an admiral itself, that’s not evil, it’s kill or be killed. If Luffy kills Imu in a fight, that doesn’t make Luffy evil. If Whitebeard kills Akainu in a fight, that doesn’t make him evil.
We’re not talking about evil from the perspective of ordinary citizens. We’re talking about the morality of the character himself.
We already know that most of Xebec’s actions were driven by a clear goal, which is to kill Imu, and oppose his entire army. He may be ruthless in pursuit of that goal, but he also shows traits we usually associate with a good guy, like a sense of honor and fairness.
No, I am saying in the context of a shonen, it was understandable.
In the context of shoune,n wounding a kid just to get his father's attention isn't.
It's definitely spoonfeeding, for me at least. That wasn't some WG propaganda: those were the words of the narrator.
The narrator said one kingdom fell into ruin, and five towns were wiped off the map. I don't really know what we should want more.
WG being bad has nothing to do with Xebec being bad too, on a different level.
Because killing an Admiral was always going to be more than kidnapping 8 kings.
Are we seriously arguing that kidnapping 8 kings to use them as pawns is not bad lol?
They should use this defence in court.
"See your honor, the robber I defend isn't evil: it's kill or be killed. When the policeman tried to catch him, he shot, but that doesn't make him evil"
Which is definitely from that perspective.
Which is becoming king of the world.
And in this endeavour, he destroyed and killed and robbed, as any pirate would. On a bigger scale for him since he was really strong.
There is nothing wrong with that. Xebec is a fucking pirate, not a marine, not a saint.
In the context of shoune,n wounding a kid just to get his father's attention isn't.
It's definitely spoonfeeding, for me at least. That wasn't some WG propaganda: those were the words of the narrator.
The narrator said one kingdom fell into ruin, and five towns were wiped off the map. I don't really know what we should want more.
WG being bad has nothing to do with Xebec being bad too, on a different level.
Because killing an Admiral was always going to be more than kidnapping 8 kings.
Are we seriously arguing that kidnapping 8 kings to use them as pawns is not bad lol?
They should use this defence in court.
"See your honor, the robber I defend isn't evil: it's kill or be killed. When the policeman tried to catch him, he shot, but that doesn't make him evil"
Which is definitely from that perspective.
Which is becoming king of the world.
And in this endeavour, he destroyed and killed and robbed, as any pirate would. On a bigger scale for him since he was really strong.
There is nothing wrong with that. Xebec is a fucking pirate, not a marine, not a saint.
This argument alone shows me that you are being unnecessarily stubborn, Zoro killed countless people as well. We’re done here, you can keep disagreeing if you want.
….Yes, a pirate, same as 90% of the good guys we’ve seen in the story lol. What even is this statement? Roger killed, and plundered too brah. He even said that’s what pirates do, he’s not classified as an evil character in this manga even if you ask Oda himself.
….Yes, a pirate, same as 90% of the good guys we’ve seen in the story lol. What even is this statement? Roger killed, and plundered too brah. He even said that’s what pirates do, he’s not classified as an evil character in this manga even if you ask Oda himself.
Silohette Xebec
Everyone hates him
Seemed kinda mean
Would definetly kill everyone
Not fatherlike
Actual xebec
Pretty chill
Doesn't beat up people randomly
Loves his family
Not that mean to his crew but everyone probably still hates him
Was xebec being evil just propaganda? Or is xebec gonna end up being evil
Everyone hates him
Seemed kinda mean
Would definetly kill everyone
Not fatherlike
Actual xebec
Pretty chill
Doesn't beat up people randomly
Loves his family
Not that mean to his crew but everyone probably still hates him
Was xebec being evil just propaganda? Or is xebec gonna end up being evil
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i don't think wanting to be the king of the world is inherently an evil goal, especially if the current king of the world is objectively the most evil thing we can see
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roger canonically killed the entire army of a kingdom because one person talked bad about his friends
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But tbh I don't see the problem here.
I get what you are saying, and I agree: we expected Xebec to be some really evil dude, someone like Saturn or Kaido, but he wasn't; he was just a very powerful pirate.
Roger is kind of a mix: we were told he did horrible things, but in Oden's FB was basically Luffy 2.0.
I get what you are saying, and I agree: we expected Xebec to be some really evil dude, someone like Saturn or Kaido, but he wasn't; he was just a very powerful pirate.
Roger is kind of a mix: we were told he did horrible things, but in Oden's FB was basically Luffy 2.0.
