Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1163 Spoilers Discussion

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You are using "likely" here. We are just left with his ambiguous silence as he listen to Sengoku elaborating . The fact that the first thing that came to his mind when it comes to Oden was his association with the WB specifically says a lot about the organization's perception of him as a pirate, at least for those that know he exists in the first place.

Oimo and Kashi, who spent 100 years guarding Enies Lobby under the lie that their captains were in captivity were more in touch with individual pirates' status than actual officers now?
It’s not individual pirate status, it’s the status of a crew. Oden voyaged the entire world with the Roger pirates. And since the admirals at the time knew oden as a Roger Pirate, it means that oden jumping ship was a well known fact in the verse.

So of course the two who see 25 years as no time at all would have a better memory than the human who sees it as almost half his life.
 
It was exactly stated there wher it was stated in the manga that oden was unknown member of the roger pirates, in your guys head
You may wanna read 957 to see how unknown Oden is to marine officers at large and how his association with the WB pirates stays paramount in the minds of those who do know about him.
 
we are trolling cause some zorotards legit claimed Ray was gonna be the MVP of GV. That he was gonna defeat garlic in a 1 v 1. That he got his epthet dark king for his insane showing in gv etc etc


This is just the natural progression of that. Make dumb and retarded claims. Get fucking clowned on later when those claims don't happen.
It was that Warasame dude or whatever right.
 
NoOoOoOoOoOoOo BrO dOn’t YoU kNoW tHaT wHiTeBeArD wAs HaKiLeSs At MaRiNeFoRd (even though Akainu is a logia and can’t be harmed without Haki) AnD oNlY hUrT aKaInU bEcAuSe ThE gUrA gUrA cOuNtErS lOgIaS (please ignore Aokiji’s Logia not being effected by Whitebeard’s Gura punch)???????



Ironically the one moment WB couldn't use COC is because of the wound Akainu gave him started hurting like crazy, as we see holding the hole made by Akainu , not his heart contrary to the popular belief.
The fact the hakiless WB argument has to rely on completely baseless headcanons like Gura Gura bypassing logia intangibility when it has never been hinted at any point show how silly it is.
 
Ironically the one moment WB couldn't use COC is because of the wound Akainu gave him started hurting like crazy, as we see holding the hole made by Akainu , not his heart contrary to the popular belief.
The fact the hakiless WB argument has to rely on completely baseless headcanons like Gura Gura bypassing logia intangibility when it has never been hinted at any poit show how silly it is.
He used Haki on Kuzan lol.
 
You may wanna read 957 to see how unknown Oden is to marine officers at large and how his association with the WB pirates stays paramount in the minds of those who do know about him.
You mean the same marine officers who didnt never hear about the strongest pirate crew in history?
Im convinced now, if the 3 bum officers in that one reaction panel didnt knew than means the world didnt exactly what i asked for.
Now go and play with the other high IQ individuals
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Ironically the one moment WB couldn't use COC is because of the wound Akainu gave him started hurting like crazy, as we see holding the hole made by Akainu , not his heart contrary to the popular belief.
The fact the hakiless WB argument has to rely on completely baseless headcanons like Gura Gura bypassing logia intangibility when it has never been hinted at any point show how silly it is.
People just don’t understand logia fruits thinking that if haki is used then the fruit is entirely useless
 
You realise the old guys always belittle themselves before they pull out some crazy shit right after?

You have Whitebeard admitting he cannot always stay the strongest - I mean, he was terminally ill, so it makes sense - but then split the seas, creates island sized, devouring tsunamiquakes and his quakes are being viberate to nearby islands.



I already explained it above.

The SBS gives the true answer to how strong the old legends are. Do you think Oda was just purposely lying like that to troll for a bit? Nope, it was his message "to not underestimate them only because they are old."
The own author of this manga purposely drew old guys to be near their prime. It is what it is.

Furthermore, yes, Garp's power is declining lately, by how much? Their older versions can still be comparable to their prime even if their strength is just 80% or 90% of their prime. As I said, Old Garp performed similar feats like GV Garp or do you see a huge difference?
You realise the old guys always belittle themselves before they pull out some crazy shit right after?
I didn’t know that. By this line of reasoning, Rayleigh was “bragging” about doing something crazy like stopping Kizaru in his old age while the Straw Hats were crying by his side and being completely crushed by Sentomaru and Kuma — all because Rayleigh chose not to use the strength he still had in his old age from his prime to help the Straw Hats and fight Kizaru. It’s bizarre where you’re taking this.

And even following your reasoning: for Whitebeard it was illness, and for Rayleigh it was the fact he hadn’t held a sword in decades. We could keep using these excuses, which would leave only Garp, right? So why did Whitebeard, once again, use his line “Don’t be intimidated by him, he’s just an old man now”? Of course, you could deny it and say it’s just Garp downplaying himself when he said his strength had weakened. Lol.

Do you at least understand that using Rayleigh not having his “prime self” strength in old age just because he hadn’t touched a sword, even though Oda had set his power in the SBS as being equal to his prime version, and Whitebeard’s illness causing his decline in strength, are direct contradictions to Oda’s SBS? Because these two facts prove that they do not have the same strength they had in their prime — and it’s the same with Garp and his old age.

I already explained it above.

The SBS gives the true answer to how strong the old legends are. Do you think Oda was just purposely lying like that to troll for a bit? Nope, it was his message "to not underestimate them only because they are old."
The own author of this manga purposely drew old guys to be near their prime. It is what it is.

Furthermore, yes, Garp's power is declining lately, by how much? Their older versions can still be comparable to their prime even if their strength is just 80% or 90% of their prime. As I said, Old Garp performed similar feats like GV Garp or do you see a huge difference?
I’ve already explained this: if we take what Oda said seriously, the old legends would be equal to their prime selves — which isn’t true, since these same legends contradict that fact.
I don’t know about numbers or percentages, but no old legend is at 100% — that’s an absolute fact. The most accurate interpretation of Oda’s words, and the one that makes sense on the power scale, is that even in old age they’re still strong, but they do not maintain the full strength of their prime.

I just don’t think Whitebeard would have said “don’t worry about Garp, he’s just an old man now” if Garp still had 90% of the strength he had in his prime.
 
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