Controversial Bleach verse > Dragonball verse

[Killer#777]

barragan manipulates death itself so the rules don't apply to him when using his abilities on other soul reapers since it's not natural occurrence.

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Killer guy is completely clown. Bro was literally denying manga panels back and forth lol.

weren't you the same person who thought hitsugaya can beat Zaraki in a straight up fight lol? Your opinion definitely doesn't matter in this conversation.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

barragan manipulates death itself so the rules don't apply to him when using his abilities on other soul reapers since it's not natural occurrence.

Did you read the page?

"But before all these things die, they grow old." Barragan outright confirms Shinigami naturally grow old and die.

 

[Killer#777]

Did you read the page?

"But before all these things die, they grow old." Barragan outright confirms Shinigami naturally grow old and die.

how many soul reapers you know die of old age? I bet you can't name one

 

[Owl Ki]

barragan manipulates death itself so the rules don't apply to him when using his abilities on other soul reapers since it's not natural occurrence.

We literally see Soul Reapers age. Gin used to be a small kid, now he's an adult. Ukitake used to be a kid, one that was nearly killed by an illness he still suffers from. Yamamato used to be middle aged, now he's an octogenarian looking sassenach.

Soul Reapers certainly aren't immortal (not subject to death) which is what you initially argued and they aren't biologically immortal (not subject to senescence) either. We clearly see these sods age. They just age slower than regular humans.

Soul Reapers are superhuman in ability but they are functionally biologically identical to regular humans in they are subject to ageing, illness and physical wounds.

They're just super powered mortals.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

how many soul reapers you know die of old age? I bet you can't name one

I don't need to if Kubo directly wrote it in the story.

 

[Killer#777]

We literally see Soul Reapers age. Gin used to be a small kid, now he's an adult. Ukitake used to be a kid, one that was nearly killed by an illness he still suffers from. Yamamato used to be middle aged, now he's an octogenarian looking sassenach.

you still don't get it shinigami have never died of old age naturally Yamamoto is proof of that.

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I don't need to if Kubo directly wrote it in the story.

that's the thing Kubo directly never stated shinigami naturally die of old age.

 

[Owl Ki]

you still don't get it shinigami have never died of old age naturally Yamamoto is proof of that.

The guy that we see age from middle aged to octogenarian and who we also see die is proof Shinigami can't die of old age?

What do think you get if you combine "subject to senescence" with "subject to death"?

You get something that can die from old age. Just because we don't see it happen on-screen doesn't mean it isn't obvious that it logically does happen, especially with Barragan's speech outright confirming it.

 

[T2K Baka]

barragan manipulates death itself so the rules don't apply to him when using his abilities on other soul reapers since it's not natural occurrence.

It is a natural occurance, he just speeds it up to where it dies.

Did you read the page?

"But before all these things die, they grow old." Barragan outright confirms Shinigami naturally grow old and die.

This guy has negative reading comprehension. The fact that souls follow the life cycle prove that they can die eventually from old age.

The exceptions are Yhwach, Ichibei, and anyone from before the SK realm split

 

[MonsterKaido]

barragan manipulates death itself so the rules don't apply to him when using his abilities on other soul reapers since it's not natural occurrence.

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weren't you the same person who thought hitsugaya can beat Zaraki in a straight up fight lol? Your opinion definitely doesn't matter in this conversation.

You are nothing more than a sad troll who denies manga lol.

 

[Steven]

When even a Bleacher like TAC disagrees with you lol

 

[Killer#777]

The guy that we see age from middle aged to octogenarian and who we also see die is proof Shinigami can't die of old age?

Did Yamamoto die of old age or was he killed? Immortality does not equal invincibility.

What do think you get if you combine "subject to senescence" with "subject to death"?

rapid aging which is not a natural occurrence amongst shinigami as a whole.

It is a natural occurance, he just speeds it up to where it dies.

but no shinigami has die from aging naturally using barragan doesn't prove anybody point. Barragan is death itself yet die from his own power being immortal doesn't mean you can't get killed.

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When even a Bleacher like TAC disagrees with you lol

a surface level reader bleach fan.

 

[Sentinel]

Killer guy is completely clown. Bro was literally denying manga panels back and forth lol.

This guy was arguing for Crocodile pushing Kaido to a high diff fight iirc. If this guy fucks up OP powerscaling to such high levels, you sure can bet his powerscaling takes on multiverse match-ups are even worse. It's like expecting nik to say something based when it comes to multiverse battles.

 

[Killer#777]

You are nothing more than a sad troll who denies manga lol.

I read the manga unlike you. You should stick to one piece you're better at debating when it comes to that subject matter.

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This guy was arguing for Crocodile pushing Kaido to a high diff fight iirc.

got something to back that up.?

 

[Steven]

surface level reader bleach

Get Clorox past half hill busting

 

[Killer#777]

Get Clorox past half hill busting

destroying planets does nothing if they can't breathe in space referring to the z-fighters. Also who said that soul reapers are effected from physical matter anyway?

 

[Steven]

destroying planets does nothing if they can't breathe in space referring to the z-fighters. Also who said that soul reapers are effected from physical matter anyway?

Dont know how many times Clorox cast got hurt by punches or swords but it was a lot of times.A fucking Meteor would end them...

Fucking chad can do it lol

 

[Sentinel]

got something to back that up.?

Yes I definitely do:

Killer guy claiming crocodile gives Kaido high diff and now lolkins can defeat sanji

Mid or high diff

I also argued with you about these Warlord takes lol

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destroying planets does nothing if they can't breathe in space referring to the z-fighters

They don't need to destroy planets, stars or galaxies to wreck Bleach characters. Bleach isn't weak when it comes to the HST verse but come on, they are not winning against DBZ lol.

 

[Owl Ki]

Did Yamamoto die of old age or was he killed?

He is both subject to senescence and subject to death. If he is subject to both, he can die of old age.

1+1=2 mate.

Immortality does not equal invincibility.

This is true but probably not for the reason you think. Invincible means "unable to be conquered or overcome". Vincible means "able to be conquered or overcome". It comes from the word vincere, meaning "to overcome".

In short, invincible would be "not subject to defeat".

For example, trapping something is defeating it without needing to kill or even harm it. A being that is "not subject to death" can still be "subject to defeat". Think of the Mafūba from Dragon Ball.

I assume you meant invulnerable meaning "not subject to damage".

Just like when you were talking about immortality (not subject to death), you actually meant biological immortality (not subject to senescence).

Tis pretty funny to see you criticise the reading ability of others when you are clearly not understanding the meaning of individual words or phrases this much.

rapid aging which is not a natural occurrence amongst shinigami as a whole.

Ageing is. We see it.

We literally see Soul Reapers age. Gin used to be a small kid, now he's an adult. Ukitake used to be a kid, one that was nearly killed by an illness he still suffers from. Yamamato used to be middle aged, now he's an octogenarian looking sassenach.

We clearly see these sods age. They just age slower than regular humans.

 

[Killer#777]

Dont know how many times Clorox cast got hurt by punches or swords but it was a lot of times.A fucking Meteor would end them...

Fucking chad can do it lol

how many of those attacks we're just made out of kishi?

 

[MonsterKaido]

I read the manga unlike you. You should stick to one piece you're better at debating when it comes to that subject matter.