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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
It's WG that's gonna fall. Not the marines. Marines will still be there with prolly Fuji as new FA. Loby the clown will become an epilogue admiral etc
The titles of “Pirate” and “Marine” will not exist, as Oda has already established in arcs like Punk Hazard that these words are meaningless. So no there will literally not be anyone referred to as a pirate after the manga ends.
 
chapter title: "Davy Jones"

- a black ship approaches GV, we can hear how some Marine Soldiers are panicking because they say that giant whirlpools appear around the island

no break
Ngl, this fb is the perfect opportunity for Oda to introduce the Man marked by flames. Cuz next arc should be about him, and we don't know sh*t about him.



We got first name drop on Wano, more details on Egghead and now we are in Elbaph. What a better moment than here on this fb, maybe he was the one who stole Elbaph's legendary fruit?
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
The titles of “Pirate” and “Marine” will not exist, as Oda has already established in arcs like Punk Hazard that these words are meaningless. So no there will literally not be anyone referred to as a pirate after the manga ends.
i really don't think so

this is a romanticized story about pirates. oda not gonna completely abandon the literal core concept at the end

That's like Naruto ending with everyone quitting as a ninja or DBZ ending with Goku becoming smart.
 
Now why would Davy Clan members want the getback from Imu and usurp him, maybe @Reborn 's theory that Davy was King before makes sense.

At first I thought he was a pirate but hmm, wouldnt make sense for a ''promise'' to be kept idk.

If he was a pirate then he was a RHM to JB.

If he was King of the world then probably it was King of the AK that the 20 kings rose against.

So it was AK+ JB vs Imu and the Kings.

And like the AK fell to ruin because they lost the war and the Davy Clan was persecuted by the former enslaved 20 Kingdoms. Im just wondering here if it makes sense narratively, maybe. Because Vegapunk did say that he wasnt sure who was good or bad and it would make sense if it was morally grey as in slaves rising up against their masters and overthrowing them only to they themselves becoming as bad or worse then their masters.

If I understood the Harley correctly the first world ruler was overthrown then the second world rulers who overthrew the first one were overthrown as well back to the first world rulers hands in some way.

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Yup, that's my guess. That would neatly tie into the sheer unrivalled hatred CDs display towards the clan. CDs reject their existence so thoroughly because the past of Davies reveals that celestial scum were just usurpers of the OG royal lineage. And "gods" surely loathe being reminded of their faux nature. They want to bury the truth that spits in the face of their whole mythos that they've been building-up over the last 800 years.

Though I feel like Davy D. Jones will be revealed to be quite a fiendish fellow himself. There ought to have been some legitimate reason for the 20 kings to rebel, Vegaskunk lampshades this while going "blah blah, it's unclear who was really on the right / wrong side so I won't pass judgment, blah blah".

If I were to take a guess, I'd say that the original version of the Davy Back fight wasn't really fought between pirate crews at all. It's more likely that Davy D. Jones used it as a way to expand not some pirate crew (if he really was a king he probably wasn't really a pirate in the traditional sense, that's Joyboy's whole schtick), but the Ancient Kingdom itself. Wholeheartedly believing in the "might makes right" ideology, Jones probably challenged the strongest warrior-representatives of some yet-to-be-seized nations. If they won (which never happened, Jones was just that guy), they'd be allowed to maintain their freedom. If not, they'd become part of the AK by force. Basically, it would be an echo of Kaido's mentality, just executed in a grander, non-crappy way.

It would only be later, when the Davies are overthrown, persecuted and forced to become a part of the criminal underworld (aka heavily dabbling in pirate affairs) that the Davy Back fight tradition would be repurposed, altered to fit the circumstances of the harsh times.

I originally wanted to make this into a whole-ass thread of its own, but I guess this is as good an opportunity as any to write down the most substantial stuff.
 
A turf restricted Admiral
:BigW:

Also Jiaga is not dead, don’t be fooled by Davy propaganda, he and Xebec are colluding

….

But yes only someone who can solo multiple Pirate Kings can kill a turf restrained Admiral with hostages.
To think that Jiaga could hold down this monster while turf restricted and protecting 5 hostages.

Unbelievable
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
this is a romanticized story about pirates. oda not gonna completely abandon the literal core concept at the end
That’s exactly what he’s going to do. If he’s a writer worth his salt that is. Lol

Oda doesn’t want a Boruto, don’t kid yourself. There is no spinoff manga featuring the daughter of Luffy and Hancock, Oda wants this story to end with Luffy.
 
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