Role Madness Frieren: Beyond Journey's End
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TL;DR
The remaining wolves are Ratchet, bittersweet, and Rej.
The remaining wolves are Ratchet, bittersweet, and Rej.
Unconvincing, why didn't he check the VCs? Truly unconvincing (I put it on top in case no one makes it this far).
Ratchet is talking to Melkor who already flipped, chances are, he already knows he was Town. He's just being performative.
Big/Poyser is Town.
Ratchet is talking to Melkor who already flipped, chances are, he already knows he was Town. He's just being performative.
Big/Poyser is Town.
Rohan is obvious Town. bittersweet and Rej are outed:
1. I roleblocked Rej N1, he is a wolf.
2. We aren't having 3 Town Protective roles.
3. This one is situational, but if the faction kill N2 is being done by bittersweet like I'm thinking, then he's even more outed.
[URL unfurl="true"]https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Weak[/URL]
These are aligning for bitter and Ratchet.
This post is from 4 days ago. Let's see if he still tries to lynch Yoho who is in villager meta. Far too many nulls.
Bittersweet started the wagon at the very beginning of D2. He had insider information that tepig was Town BG (they role-copped tepig N1), and this is why Rej ends up not voting for him at all.
Rej said he was willing to CFD Yoho and tepig D1, but he never voted for him D2. This is why.
Yet, no vote (D2). Rej made these posts D1.
Hayumi made this post D1.
The Suspects
[HR][/HR]
Rej
The accusation. No explanation needed, he isn't escaping.
The evidence.
Claiming philosophy.
Is the Pope Catholic?
Misleading town.
This is TMI.
Hammer reaction.
These players all have sudden and fake interactions to a hammer that's supposed to make Yoho more likely to be a villager. Interesting that these are the only players who react to the hammer.
Creating distance.
This is a low-risk way to create distance. They're not accusing Bittersweet of being scum, but Hayumi is questioning the process that led to him being town-read, and Rej is making a weak excuse. It's a condemning interaction in its subtlety, designed to make them look unaligned if Bittersweet were to come under pressure later.
Hello everyone
[HR][/HR]
Bittersweet
The accusation. Town Doctor (doesn't make sense, claims he "protected" Flower and there's no way we have a Town Bodyguard, a Town Weak Hider, and a Town Doctor, so he's outed). I am blocking him right now on N2. If I am right on him making the kill, then both Rej and Bitter are outed wolves.
The evidence.
Pushing Tepig early.
This post is TMI. It shows that he thought someone would die (likely Flower, who he later claimed to have protected) but it didn't happen.
He immediately pivots to pushing Tepig before he even claimed (this is at the start of the day). I believe he role-copped Tepig as the Bodyguard, and that is why he pushed him. All of this was setup to lynch Tepig.
Suspicious timing.
These posts implicitly contradict themselves, as if Bitter knew that Tepig's claim was true.
He votes for Tepig almost a full hour after Tepig claims. A full hour. His excuse?
The italicized posts are mere seconds from each other. He tells Flower to drop a vote on Polar, then mysteriously disappears for 40 minutes before dropping a vote on Tepig.
Why is he telling Flower to drop a vote on Polar Bear 40 minutes before his vote on Tepig? He should be certain that Tepig is a wolf, and should be lynching Tepig within ~5 minutes at the highest.
A slip in perspective.
Why is he responding to the post like this?
Bitter immediately thought that I was responding to him. This is a slip in perspective; why was that the first question that came to mind? He never once corrects himself for both scenarios, which a Townie would usually do, most likely due to him being more calculated and thinking it would be suspicious.
The doctor claim.
He suddenly claims Town Doctor 2 minutes after this post is made.
The time between these posts is 44 minutes. The only reasons he has to do this are to:
1) Make his claim more realistic.
2) Make the setup before the claim more realistic.
But it fundamentally isn't realistic because he's working backwards. The reason Bitter didn't claim Town Doctor is because he didn't want to get counter-claimed by Tepig. He already knew that Tepig was the Town Bodyguard.
[HR][/HR]
Ratchet
The accusation. To be explained.
The evidence.
Defending Rej.
Ratchet immediately defends Rej here. The explanation is pathetic; you don't defend someone with out-of-game information.
Stagnant reads.
In the three hours between these posts, the PoE didn't change at all. Why is only Rohan in the "Unsure" category? Why am I not in there too?
After subbing in, Ratchet took a massive pause and got up to here. That is reality. It's a fabrication.
Wolves tend to be hyperaware. But they respond to something and don't ever bring it back up again.
Ratchet is talking to Melkor who had already flipped, proving his performativeness. Who doesn't check the flips when subbing in?
Ratchet attacks me with unusual intensity compared to the usual passive-aggressive norm.
And what a questionable response from Rej, he should have been immediately alerted. Instead, he just dismisses it immediately.
Unconvincing, why didn't he check the VCs? Truly unconvincing.
Ratchet is talking to Melkor who already flipped, chances are, he already knows he was Town. He's just being performative.
1. I roleblocked Rej N1, he is a wolf.
2. We aren't having 3 Town Protective roles.
3. This one is situational, but if the faction kill N2 is being done by bittersweet like I'm thinking, then he's even more outed.
[URL unfurl="true"]https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Weak[/URL]
These are aligning for bitter and Ratchet.
This post is from 4 days ago. Let's see if he still tries to lynch Yoho who is in villager meta. Far too many nulls.
Rej said he was willing to CFD Yoho and tepig D1, but he never voted for him D2. This is why.
Yet, no vote (D2). Rej made these posts D1.
Hayumi made this post D1.
The Suspects
[HR][/HR]
Rej
The accusation. No explanation needed, he isn't escaping.
The evidence.
I was retired for a bit, but I can't get cold on mafia games, so I have to keep myself hot from time to time lol
no one has to understand an Alexis gigabrain move
let's look for some townies rather, I hope you two are town, would be a pleasure for me
no one has to understand an Alexis gigabrain move
let's look for some townies rather, I hope you two are town, would be a pleasure for me
Is the Pope Catholic?
Misleading town.
This is TMI.
Hammer reaction.
These players all have sudden and fake interactions to a hammer that's supposed to make Yoho more likely to be a villager. Interesting that these are the only players who react to the hammer.
Creating distance.
This is a low-risk way to create distance. They're not accusing Bittersweet of being scum, but Hayumi is questioning the process that led to him being town-read, and Rej is making a weak excuse. It's a condemning interaction in its subtlety, designed to make them look unaligned if Bittersweet were to come under pressure later.
Hello everyone
Bittersweet
The accusation. Town Doctor (doesn't make sense, claims he "protected" Flower and there's no way we have a Town Bodyguard, a Town Weak Hider, and a Town Doctor, so he's outed). I am blocking him right now on N2. If I am right on him making the kill, then both Rej and Bitter are outed wolves.
The evidence.
Pushing Tepig early.
This post is TMI. It shows that he thought someone would die (likely Flower, who he later claimed to have protected) but it didn't happen.
He immediately pivots to pushing Tepig before he even claimed (this is at the start of the day). I believe he role-copped Tepig as the Bodyguard, and that is why he pushed him. All of this was setup to lynch Tepig.
Suspicious timing.
These posts implicitly contradict themselves, as if Bitter knew that Tepig's claim was true.
He votes for Tepig almost a full hour after Tepig claims. A full hour. His excuse?
The italicized posts are mere seconds from each other. He tells Flower to drop a vote on Polar, then mysteriously disappears for 40 minutes before dropping a vote on Tepig.
Why is he telling Flower to drop a vote on Polar Bear 40 minutes before his vote on Tepig? He should be certain that Tepig is a wolf, and should be lynching Tepig within ~5 minutes at the highest.
A slip in perspective.
Why is he responding to the post like this?
Bitter immediately thought that I was responding to him. This is a slip in perspective; why was that the first question that came to mind? He never once corrects himself for both scenarios, which a Townie would usually do, most likely due to him being more calculated and thinking it would be suspicious.
The doctor claim.
He suddenly claims Town Doctor 2 minutes after this post is made.
The time between these posts is 44 minutes. The only reasons he has to do this are to:
1) Make his claim more realistic.
2) Make the setup before the claim more realistic.
But it fundamentally isn't realistic because he's working backwards. The reason Bitter didn't claim Town Doctor is because he didn't want to get counter-claimed by Tepig. He already knew that Tepig was the Town Bodyguard.
[HR][/HR]
Ratchet
The accusation. To be explained.
The evidence.
Defending Rej.
Ratchet immediately defends Rej here. The explanation is pathetic; you don't defend someone with out-of-game information.
Stagnant reads.
In the three hours between these posts, the PoE didn't change at all. Why is only Rohan in the "Unsure" category? Why am I not in there too?
After subbing in, Ratchet took a massive pause and got up to here. That is reality. It's a fabrication.
Wolves tend to be hyperaware. But they respond to something and don't ever bring it back up again.
Ratchet is talking to Melkor who had already flipped, proving his performativeness. Who doesn't check the flips when subbing in?
Ratchet attacks me with unusual intensity compared to the usual passive-aggressive norm.
And what a questionable response from Rej, he should have been immediately alerted. Instead, he just dismisses it immediately.
Unconvincing, why didn't he check the VCs? Truly unconvincing.
Ratchet is talking to Melkor who already flipped, chances are, he already knows he was Town. He's just being performative.
This part was already explained as to be referring to Poyser.
Bittersweet moved up, Rej moved down, Rohan moved down. You not being in there was explained in the first of those posts.
Yeah I was watching the NFL, then some anime, and eating dinner, around that time.
I did, Melkor's name isn't listed in the Day 1 flip. You actually have to go back several pages to find the last vote count to deduce it's Melkor.
Not attacking you, it's just facts. You are illiterate. Not only are you illiterate, you will have one part addressed, accept that you were wrong (sort of) and then repeat the point again later. You also can't defend your posts because you're not competent enough to do so, which is why you never engage.
Because the latest VC was several pages back and I'd rather just read.
Not an argument.
So your whole case is based off of me making a few posts towards Melkor as I catch up, misrepresenting something I said which was already cleared up and you acknowledged, calling you illiterate (you are) and you not being able to spot the difference between two reads lists posted side by side.
Bittersweet moved up, Rej moved down, Rohan moved down. You not being in there was explained in the first of those posts.
Yeah I was watching the NFL, then some anime, and eating dinner, around that time.
I did, Melkor's name isn't listed in the Day 1 flip. You actually have to go back several pages to find the last vote count to deduce it's Melkor.
Not attacking you, it's just facts. You are illiterate. Not only are you illiterate, you will have one part addressed, accept that you were wrong (sort of) and then repeat the point again later. You also can't defend your posts because you're not competent enough to do so, which is why you never engage.
Because the latest VC was several pages back and I'd rather just read.
Not an argument.
So your whole case is based off of me making a few posts towards Melkor as I catch up, misrepresenting something I said which was already cleared up and you acknowledged, calling you illiterate (you are) and you not being able to spot the difference between two reads lists posted side by side.
I will say @bittersweet I don't like that you only claim odd night now after Tepig was lynched with a bodyguard claim, that feels like pertinent information we should have been given.