Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1166 Spoilers Discussion

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Imo it's beyond silly to try to paint all the hundreds and hundreds of marines on GV as some imaginary "bad apples" group precisely because of how Dragon ties into this whole subplot story-wise. The whole narrative point of the Dragon subplot conflict is to establish the baseline of marine morality (aka ultimately complying with spamming cannonballs against civilians desperately escaping a genocide game) to contrast it with the ONE oddball exception that manifested under such circumstances. There would be little point (and even less weight or impact) to Dragon's defiance and later disenchantment with the Navy if what we saw marines do en masse on GV could not be extrapolated to most of the organization.
This is a good point actually.
 

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This is such moral bankruptcy it is idiotic. Garp already defied them and let countless babies around the world get slaughtered via keeping Ace secret. If the bastard was willing to break out his son, he should have done the same for Ace, or sold Ace to the dogs ages ago and at least saved some innocent babys from his fellow monstrous Marines.

Garp lost ANY claim to righteousness and not being a dogshit person when he sprung Dragon from jail and did not leave with him / make a stand then and there. The fact he remaiend a Marine after God Valley where he kept his goddamn memory about one of his World Government bosses literally being a Spider Demon piloted by the Devil is the icing on the cake.

FUCK any Garp defenders I do not care.
You're too emotional about this. That's why you're not making much sense tbh.
 
Imo it's beyond silly to try to paint all the hundreds and hundreds of marines on GV as some imaginary "bad apples" group precisely because of how Dragon ties into this whole subplot story-wise. The whole narrative point of the Dragon subplot conflict is to establish the baseline of marine morality (aka ultimately complying with spamming cannonballs against civilians desperately escaping a genocide game) to contrast it with the ONE oddball exception that manifested under such circumstances. There would be little point (and even less weight or impact) to Dragon's defiance and later disenchantment with the Navy if what we saw marines do en masse on GV could not be extrapolated to most of the organization.
But Dragon is not an exception?? Garp told his men to help the citizens too... and the man is a true blue marine.
Now we can either believe that Garp is mean to be delusional about the marines morality, that Harald was wrong about the marines being an upstanding army... or that these bad actions are carried by a couple of rotten officers that the rank and file don't have the guts to oppose.
 
Dude all I said is that in ten years from now it’s possible Shiki heard about the Pluton plans like CP5 did.

The Edd War was a canon event lmao
If that were true, Shiki would have also known that Tom has the blueprints.

Your headcanon relies on Shiki somehow hearing a rumor that Roger’s shipwright has possession of Pluton’s blueprints, but also somehow not hearing that Roger’s shipwright is a guy named Tom in Water 7
 
This is such moral bankruptcy it is idiotic. Garp already defied them and let countless babies around the world get slaughtered via keeping Ace secret. If the bastard was willing to break out his son, he should have done the same for Ace, or sold Ace to the dogs ages ago and at least saved some innocent babys from his fellow monstrous Marines.

Garp lost ANY claim to righteousness and not being a dogshit person when he sprung Dragon from jail and did not leave with him / make a stand then and there. The fact he remaiend a Marine after God Valley where he kept his goddamn memory about one of his World Government bosses literally being a Spider Demon piloted by the Devil is the icing on the cake.

FUCK any Garp defenders I do not care.
Do people even get this mad over real life politics
:Egg_cited:
 
Really shows Dragons bravery, hes not strong and a rookie marine. Yet even under the threat of execution he immediately took action.
I'll say, and he did while being incredibly weak, like pre-TS Usopp levels of weak.

This was his Marineford, and even more impressively, he never had a brother to save, or a fruit for strength, or a Yonko crew to give him support.

If it wasn't for his current dormancy he'd be 100% GOATed, as it is he's still up there.
 

K!NG HARA$H!MA

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Figarat Senior was such a fraud its crazy

"Champion of God Valley"
"Scarred Whitebeard"

His best feat is sneaking an almost dead Xebec
:kobeha::kobeha::kobeha:

Garlic and the Holy Knights as a whole failed as agenda. The Admirals were truly the WG's greatest military power.

Cryyyyyyyyy bitch


He avenged Admiral Jiaga.
Admirals fans should be grateful
 
If that were true, Shiki would have also known that Tom has the blueprints.

Your headcanon relies on Shiki somehow hearing a rumor that Roger’s shipwright has possession of Pluton’s blueprints, but also somehow not hearing that Roger’s shipwright is a guy named Tom in Water 7
Dude it’s just a working guess? It’s canon that Shiki found out that Roger had a tie to some kinda weapon. That’s all, it could be literally anything or Shiki could be wrong.

Doesn’t change the fact that the war is a canon event and Shiki is a canon character.
 
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