Role Madness Elden Ring
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Too bad for you that it’s so cold whenever I‘m falling asleep I wake up again.
In the nicest way possible. You both claim literally the same damn role, Fuji never did conflicting dupes in a non heavy bastard game.
From an uninformed perspective, it implies one of you is lying yet you‘re not pushing the guy who claims the same role you have. Why? Because you don’t want him to flip. That’s the only truly feasible explanation, the other is you are not capable of figuring stuff out yourself. The only way you can be Town from my pov is that I have to assume that, in the nicest way possible, you are a moron who doesn’t understand how roles work. Alternatively you misunderstand his claim, but since he has already cleared up it has the same functionality you should, from a Town you pov, place your fucking vote on him. Yet your move is to push me instead for pushing a dichotomy when factually one exists. Saber isn’t a moron either and he‘s suspecting you. Since I assume it’s a dichotomy he looks Townier as he has the correct perspective. If you still suspect me and are Town after all that I can’t help you and congrats for letting scum get away with claiming your role.
The only way you could both be Town is a host oversight. Let that sink in.
In the nicest way possible. You both claim literally the same damn role, Fuji never did conflicting dupes in a non heavy bastard game.
From an uninformed perspective, it implies one of you is lying yet you‘re not pushing the guy who claims the same role you have. Why? Because you don’t want him to flip. That’s the only truly feasible explanation, the other is you are not capable of figuring stuff out yourself. The only way you can be Town from my pov is that I have to assume that, in the nicest way possible, you are a moron who doesn’t understand how roles work. Alternatively you misunderstand his claim, but since he has already cleared up it has the same functionality you should, from a Town you pov, place your fucking vote on him. Yet your move is to push me instead for pushing a dichotomy when factually one exists. Saber isn’t a moron either and he‘s suspecting you. Since I assume it’s a dichotomy he looks Townier as he has the correct perspective. If you still suspect me and are Town after all that I can’t help you and congrats for letting scum get away with claiming your role.
The only way you could both be Town is a host oversight. Let that sink in.
Flower did you read any of my posts around when he claimed? Be honest please. Because I don't know how you can have done so and this be your response.
The order was:
Saber votes me Day 1
I ask why, he doesn't give a compelling answer.
I use Yoho's role to block him N1.
He claims today.
He claims a very similar role to me.
I say "happy to lynch this"
I'm asked why, so I say why. And then claim. My claim comes AFTER his.
Then I talk to him about his claim and the way he's doing it doesn't really feel like scum who is in a counter claim scenario to me. So I back off.
That's the order. I'm also not an idiot Flower but my problem with you is you are characterising my play as being hesitant to see him through, when I created the counter claim scenario myself. How does that make any sense to you? If I'm hesitant to push him because I think his flip outs me, why would I counter claim him in the first place? What you're basically saying is that I created a scenario where I get outed after he dies, I do this knowingly, and then, instead of pushing it through and getting some damage done while leaning onto WIFOM, I pull off it, and ensure I do no damage while getting lynched for it.
Does that sound like a good plan to you? Like please, I know you know better than that. So my problem is this - I think what you're pushing is very silly, it requires extremely suboptimal scum play from me and your refusal to even begin to consider this is, I think, something you need a good explanation for.
The order was:
Saber votes me Day 1
I ask why, he doesn't give a compelling answer.
I use Yoho's role to block him N1.
He claims today.
He claims a very similar role to me.
I say "happy to lynch this"
I'm asked why, so I say why. And then claim. My claim comes AFTER his.
Then I talk to him about his claim and the way he's doing it doesn't really feel like scum who is in a counter claim scenario to me. So I back off.
That's the order. I'm also not an idiot Flower but my problem with you is you are characterising my play as being hesitant to see him through, when I created the counter claim scenario myself. How does that make any sense to you? If I'm hesitant to push him because I think his flip outs me, why would I counter claim him in the first place? What you're basically saying is that I created a scenario where I get outed after he dies, I do this knowingly, and then, instead of pushing it through and getting some damage done while leaning onto WIFOM, I pull off it, and ensure I do no damage while getting lynched for it.
Does that sound like a good plan to you? Like please, I know you know better than that. So my problem is this - I think what you're pushing is very silly, it requires extremely suboptimal scum play from me and your refusal to even begin to consider this is, I think, something you need a good explanation for.
*rolls eyes*
I understand his claim just fine Flower. He essentially absorbs the role, passives and all. I pilot it instead.
It's not lost on me that there is crossover. However, this is a Fuji game, and Fuji loves doing shit like this. I remember him giving scum a Ninja while giving scum the tracker/watcher and town neither. He definitely goes too far sometimes to break setup spec and I can't just act like he doesn't. And the game does warn for bastard elements, which again I can't ignore.
Now to bring us back on point, my understanding of his role is irrelevant to the behaviour that you're trying to say my play is indicative of. However you slice it, for me to be scum and Saber town you have to be able to reconcile me creating a scenario where I box myself in and then choose the most damaging (to me) pivot from that. That is not good scum play. It requires some very suboptimal play on my part, and all of this has to be with knowledge too given I initiated it all, so it can't be handwaved away as a mistake. Your turn to argue your point of view because I don't see any way for you to actually believe it.
I understand his claim just fine Flower. He essentially absorbs the role, passives and all. I pilot it instead.
It's not lost on me that there is crossover. However, this is a Fuji game, and Fuji loves doing shit like this. I remember him giving scum a Ninja while giving scum the tracker/watcher and town neither. He definitely goes too far sometimes to break setup spec and I can't just act like he doesn't. And the game does warn for bastard elements, which again I can't ignore.
Now to bring us back on point, my understanding of his role is irrelevant to the behaviour that you're trying to say my play is indicative of. However you slice it, for me to be scum and Saber town you have to be able to reconcile me creating a scenario where I box myself in and then choose the most damaging (to me) pivot from that. That is not good scum play. It requires some very suboptimal play on my part, and all of this has to be with knowledge too given I initiated it all, so it can't be handwaved away as a mistake. Your turn to argue your point of view because I don't see any way for you to actually believe it.
No you can not.
And I‘m done discussing further. Zero attempts at trying to understand my pov while I demonstrated I was trying to see your pov and just couldn’t find it and all I get is shade, so you‘re scum or not playing the game how you should as Town. You‘re shading me over having the correct pov wrt your claims.
And I‘m done discussing further. Zero attempts at trying to understand my pov while I demonstrated I was trying to see your pov and just couldn’t find it and all I get is shade, so you‘re scum or not playing the game how you should as Town. You‘re shading me over having the correct pov wrt your claims.
