Role Madness Elden Ring

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I think a lot of us are just hoping for this day phase to end so we can see the flips and then approach the next day phase with a new set of eyes. I'm honestly not even sure of my reads this phase now. People are all over the place.
i feel like we had a good thread state but after a while what needed to be said was said and people derailed into other discussion out of boredom like we were scraping the bottom of the barrel at some point i just want to see charlie's slot confirmed so i can finally rest
 
Fuck me. I checked in during the morning hours, read through the whole spat between Flower and Ratchet and told myself life is too beautiful to get dragged down by whatever that was.

I know you guys represent the worst generation, but that does not mean you have to be Scratchmen Apoo.

Anyway - reading up on some utr slots and realtiming instead of catching up.
 
i feel like we had a good thread state but after a while what needed to be said was said and people derailed into other discussion out of boredom like we were scraping the bottom of the barrel at some point i just want to see charlie's slot confirmed so i can finally rest
Agreed. Whoever the scum team is, they're loving this bickering and derailment. It surely fuels their aim to keep from having a strongly established town core.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
This isn't town ratchet, it feels like you are almost parroting flowers play style to mock her, teach her a lesson, hide as scum, or something in between

But you are walking a fine line between not playing to your wincon if town or are scum and you know where I stand on those 2. Scum
I've given reads, I've made the vote I wanted to make, I've given reasons for it... is it "not playing to my win con" if I don't lynch who you want me to lynch?
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
in your experience did ratchet ever throw a tantrum like that/act so defeatist/self vote?

not like he got pushed much anyway. i voted for him and pushed him a bit. but my opinion is hardly valued. and he should already know that's how flower is.

i am kinda trying to reevaluate his slot cause he was in my scum reads d1 and my other two scum reads both flipped town...
but he is not making that easy at all
Are you trying to re-evaluate? You haven't engaged with me in any meaningful way, you haven't talked about your suspicion in concrete terms, you haven't discussed my reads, you haven't asked me for my positions... what are you re-evaluating exactly? Do you think sitting still and not furthering everything is likely to change your read? Are you even trying?
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
Not that I have ever seen. I'm fine leaving him for today as I feel more strong about a couple of others. But if he is town, I'll have some words for him after the game.

Honestly the more I think about it, he can't be town bc he's playing and acting like players that he eventually has words with. If he is town, I guess we'll have to play ratchets role after the game 🤣

He's had town aspects but hedges on everything, self votes, throws a tantrum, etc. Never seen town ratchet do that before and never seen some of it from him as either alignment

Just some food for thought in case I get offed tonight
Hedges on everything? I've given concrete town reads, my "hedging" have come from scum reads, specifically due to not really feeling them strongly enough to push them through. I could fake confidence if you want, seems pretty silly to require me to fake confidence though to make it not scummy.

Self votes was explained several times, and unsurprisingly, it is being characterised as a "tantrum" wherein my reasoning is never actually addressed. If a significant amount of players want me lynched, and they can't talk to me or give me the ability to defend myself, and when I believe most of them are town, there isn't really any better option from my PoV than getting my flip. Because otherwise, you have a lot of townies pushing against my reads and positions because they don't trust me which creates an ideal gamestate for scum while scum can avoid ever getting stuck in it. No one seems to be able to explain to me why this is an issue, they just characterise it as wrong without ever addressing it.

The other thing I said was I'm not really going to be engaging much further with the game. Well what do you expect, if my PoE won't get furthered and no one wants to engage with me about anything then I am basically playing solo. So you have my thoughts, you have my positions, and you have where I wanted to vote. Not much else for me to do!
 
Finally took the time to read through Yo Ta Wans quotewall.

Is he always that focused on claims/mech?

The only part of it I like is the questioning of melchor.


And trying to catch up on RA failed, I didn't miss any of his posts.
 
Are you trying to re-evaluate? You haven't engaged with me in any meaningful way, you haven't talked about your suspicion in concrete terms, you haven't discussed my reads, you haven't asked me for my positions... what are you re-evaluating exactly? Do you think sitting still and not furthering everything is likely to change your read? Are you even trying?
Why would I wanna throw myself into you and flower's debacle?

I changed my attention to bitter who was next in line in my list and has been pushing him for the past few hours or so

I decided I'd sheep my town reads who should have more experience with you instead of pushing you myself. That's me reevaluating.
 
The other thing I said was I'm not really going to be engaging much further with the game. Well what do you expect, if my PoE won't get furthered and no one wants to engage with me about anything then I am basically playing solo. So you have my thoughts, you have my positions, and you have where I wanted to vote. Not much else for me to do!
I have been trying to actively engage with everyone who I have leaning town and who is consistently participating.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
Why would I wanna throw myself into you and flower's debacle?
I have over 160 posts - is that the only part you can talk about? Is my whole play just that one thing? Got nothing else to add to anything else I've said, like, say, my reads list? My PoE? Nothing?
I decided I'd sheep my town reads who should have more experience with you instead of pushing you myself. That's me reevaluating.
But it's not re-evaluating, all you're doing is shifting focus. The read isn't changing, and nothing you're doing seems to be with the goal of testing that read and potentially moving it. You're just sat still, doing nothing, and expecting... what to change, exactly?
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
Well, you can't say no one is engaging you on your reads when I clearly have been. Just trying to keep things in perspective.
Look, the last think I need this game is a pedant policing the technicalities of my wording instead of grasping the message, if my correction doesn't work for you then fill in whatever does.
 
Yeah - I don't know why we would kill baudib today.

There is no way rott is something good. Whoever profits from rot can get rid of baudib for us.

And I don't really think he is scum. He is not pushing anything outragous or anything agenda heavy.
And he has given clear town and scum reads. So I don't really know where the fence-sitting argument comes from.

He is still not locked town, but leaning town for sure and likely self-resolving down the line.
(And a better investigative target than lynch)
 
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