Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1167 Spoilers Discussion

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@soupongo @MarineHQ Which Admiral got the worst character assassination?

Papazuki, who got flanderized into being a constantly angry pencil pusher
Kizaru, who went from being an aura farming sociopath who only cares about his paycheck, to whining and crying about having to kill Vegatard
Or Fattora, who went from being a good guy trying to change the system from within, to being a straight up goody two shoes Revolutionary?
I don't think there's anything wrong with someone like Kizaru having people he cares about... him and Akainu are strongly based on yakuza and while they can be ruthless, they also have people they care about.
The issue with this plot is fucking Vegapunk.... they had barely any development or interaction because Lolda cared about more making stuff like Kizaru feeding Luffy being a mystery.
Imo Vegapunk role should have been swapped for Sentoumaru somehow.
 
Your defective brain hallucinated this
What's the difference between Saint Shanks, the guy who infiltrated the Holy Land to the detriment of its inhabitants and the Admirals, who actively protect the inbreeding victims and are at their disposal whenever a commoner dares to not make way for them?
Do you understand that you follow the wrong men or do you need a little help seeing the light?
 
Literally the best Egghead character
He's so bad. Oda kept trying to sympathy bait us when there's no reason to feel bad for Kizaru or care about him whatsoever. Him defending the CDs has led to thousands of people dying, being enslaved, being raped, etc. over the decades he's been in the marines, yet I'm supposed to feel bad when his family is being killed? You must be off your fucking rocker
 
He's so bad. Oda kept trying to sympathy bait us when there's no reason to feel bad for Kizaru or care about him whatsoever. Him defending the CDs has led to thousands of people dying, being enslaved, being raped, etc. over the decades he's been in the marines, yet I'm supposed to feel bad when his family is being killed? You must be off your fucking rocker
Calling Kizaru a bad character?

Damn, how bad are your standards?
 
@soupongo @MarineHQ Which Admiral got the worst character assassination?

Papazuki, who got flanderized into being a constantly angry pencil pusher
Kizaru, who went from being an aura farming sociopath who only cares about his paycheck, to whining and crying about having to kill Vegatard
Or Fattora, who went from being a good guy trying to change the system from within, to being a straight up goody two shoes Revolutionary?
Only Papazuki really had character assassination here, Kizaru didn´t change that much, and fattora has been annoying since Dressrosa
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with someone like Kizaru having people he cares about... him and Akainu are strongly based on yakuza and while they can be ruthless, they also have people they care about.
The issue with this plot is fucking Vegapunk.... they had barely any development or interaction because Lolda cared about more making stuff like Kizaru feeding Luffy being a mystery.
Imo Vegapunk role should have been swapped for Sentoumaru somehow.
Kizaru’s and Sentomaru’s brief fight on Egghead was actually really well written, you could tell just by looking at their faces the type of bond they had. That makes it even weirder just how poorly written Vegatard’s and Kizaru’s “best friendship” was. Would it really have been so hard to cut like half a chapter from Kuma’s overly long flashback and give us something to work with for Vegatard and Kizaru, beyond the few sparse panels we got?
 

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Conqueror of the Stars
What's the difference between Saint Shanks, the guy who infiltrated the Holy Land to the detriment of its inhabitants and the Admirals, who actively protect the inbreeding victims and are at their disposal whenever a commoner dares to not make way for them?
Do you understand that you follow the wrong men or do you need a little help seeing the light?
The difference is Saint Shanks pretends to be a noble pirate when in reality he is cowardly celestial dragon spawn

The Admirals (save for Fujitora) are honest about their ideologies, Saint Shanks is just a lying coward pretending to be a noble pirate while in reality defending the celestial dragons and their slave taking ways
 
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