Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1167 Spoilers Discussion

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Because people like to hand wave away the consistently better portrayal that Kaido and BM have gotten over Shiki ever since the Rocks Pirates were revealed
Oda is just giving them more focus because they´re all more relevant to Luffy, while Shiki has no canon focus

Roger, Garp, Blue hair Xebec=Luffy´s parallels(look at the shonen jump cover)
Kaido/Bm=Luffys enemies
Rayleigh=Luffys sensei
WB=marry sue character Oda likes a lot
Shiki, Silver axe, the pirate island guy have no focus because they have no actual connection to Luffy or the plot,but in the lore we know Shiki seperates himself from the other two, Shiki fought Roger as well as Garp and Sengoku(his marine rival), Oda also namedropped him in the SBS as someone he wanted WB to shout out, and ofc Shiki destroying half of MF and breaking out of Impel down was unprecedented when he did that. Him being weaker than Kaido seems fair, and idk about Big Mom but it´s not literally impossible, but it doesn´t really matter? None of the Yonko have beaten eachother, they just clashed a bit.
 
BM runs from kid Garp, prime Sengoku and Garp plus the marines behind them couldn't stop Shiki from destroying half of Marineford. :risisure:
I know the Shiki glaze reeks of cook agenda but shit still stands, he was on the same level as Roja and one of his many equals.
Garp is not only older than her, but had a grown ass son show up on the same page. This wasn't kid Garp, it was the strongest Marine at the time.

You can argue that at the time of the fight with Shiki he was prime, but none of that happened on panel. Shiki has pretty much nothing on panel to this day and the most we've seen is that his strength fell far enough for pre time skip Luffy to get past.

Funny enough yeah, it does remind me of how people pull out Sanji to glaze in any moment where he isn't outclassed
 
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Honestly, what even happened to Smoker as a character? There’s no way that Oda always intended for him to be as irrelevant as he ended up being. He’s not even as relevant to the new gen as Sengoku was to the old gen
He probably didnt plan shit post Marineford, Oda made it clear with how overpowered luffy and Zoro are compared to pirates of their generation.
Anyway Smoker will get his time eventually, once the Navy arc unfolds Smoker will be one of the key players, his philosophy as a marine is a cornerstone within the grand narrative of everything involving the Navy
Fujitora lifted a huge burden off his shoulders, a bigger stronger man has come to fix the navy. But Smoker knows Fujitora will be busy with reforming the establishment, so someone younger yet also old enough to understand the past Navy, and can set the standard for the future.

The eventual Navy arc will be legendary, probably the only piece of good writing remaining in Oda’s storage
 

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Holy fuck. Now that you mention it that's insane!

Kingdom does that well with a non existent/dogshit anime?? I completely forgot to factor that in, every other manga there has an anime to boost sales. Nah Kingdom might just be the goat manga. @Elder Lee Hung
This is the type of post that gets a motherfucker promoted in the Chadmiral fandom.

Yep Kingdom is a top 5 manga despite having the shittiest anime adaptation of all time.
 
Who cares about the relevance? And Shiki doesn’t sail in the seas ruled by the yonko. Shiki has been retired since he was captured. The point is that Shiki is stronger than the yonko like meme. He’s actually an equal to Roger and Primebeard. Not someone chasing Roger’s consolation prize like meme and Kaido
This is just not how the current manga portrays it, and you know that lmao. Shiki fans keep referencing a non-canon movie, and literal chapter zero and none of it has been upheld since. He sucks and Big Mom is top four 🤷🏿‍♂️ argue with Oda
 
This is just not how the current manga portrays it, and you know that lmao. Shiki fans keep referencing a non-canon movie, and literal chapter zero and none of it has been upheld since. He sucks and Big Mom is top four 🤷🏿‍♂️ argue with Oda
None I mentioned is from a non canon movie. All are from a canon OP chapter and you know that lmao.

Literally nothing has contradicted the canon. You’re the one arguing with oda because he’s treated like Primebeard while Big Mom needs the giant army to defeat sickbeard.
 
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