Future Events When Sanji unlocks Conqueror's Haki, would that affect people's opinions on Sanji's character?

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

You're acting like your opinion has equal weight to Oda giving a direct answer. Power of Love is not Haki, that's settled as a matter of fact since SBS 62. Anything else is noise.

The Garp gags about him abusing Luffy aren't meant to be taken seriously. It's like Oda saying mothers are stronger than Kaido lol

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Do you know the chapter for that Brook statement or at least the context for why he said it?

It was after Sanji heard about nothing happened. He and Brook were talking and Brook said he saw what happened too and that both had the same will to stand up to Kuma like that

 

[Rumble]

I mean sure, I understand if you aren't capable of making a point. It's like uphill ice skating. But go ahead and try, it'll be okay.

The manga addressed your point just recently. Only, unlike Harald, Sanji was just saying shit hoping to get his dick wet. Harald was saying it while giving up the cheeks and you don't see the problem with that? Harald said that slave shit with conviction. @Doggo raised that with you and you came back with some bullshit.

Didn't Harald voluntereed to become a slave last chapter?

Wanna argue that Harald isn't a Conqueror?
plz.
elaborate.
we are waiting.

Argument is a little shallow. Maybe you should add some more emojis to fill it in.

1. Harald was a king of the most feared warriors and the only one who can surpass him is his own son. He was the most powerful Giant of his era and Rocks sought his help as the tipping point against Imu. That's not Sanji lmao

2. I already said that I don't care if he gets it. Stop projecting.

Literally fuck all addresses the argument.

You're the bum running away.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Sanji literally went to WCI to fight back on his own? That was the whole reason he left Zou?

And Brook outright said Zoro and Sanji had the same will at thriller bark for a reason, and just like Sanji told Zoro to shut up and stop being afraid in Alabasta

That’s literally their dynamic

He didn't leave to fight back, he left because he was cornered. The note he left didn't help the only people who could help him. He resigned several times and again, Luffy had to slap sense into him.

I think Sanji has a strong will, but there's a reason Zoro won out at TB. In Alabasta, "shut up and stop being afraid" of what?

 

[Rumble]

The Garp gags about him abusing Luffy aren't meant to be taken seriously. It's like Oda saying mothers are stronger than Kaido lol

You're the not arbiter of when Oda "really means it" when he gives an answer.

He was asked a direct question about Haki. He gave a direct answer.

 

[Fn Lucci]

The manga addressed your point just recently. Only, unlike Harald, he was just saying shit hoping to get his dick wet, he was saying it while give up the cheeks? Harald said that slave shit with conviction. @Doggo raised that with you and you came back with some bullshit.



Literally fuck all addresses the argument.

You're the bum running away.

I'm not running anywhere bruv. I invited you to respond lol.

Harald was proactive. He didn't have to, but offered himself to save his people. He had a choice between putting one of the two most powerful people above the other and bet on the wrong one.

Sanji had a mask put on to hide how badly his captors had beaten his ass into submission. I like Sanji more than Harald by far in almost any way, but let's be honest. No one in the fuckin manga would see a basis to compare Sanji to Harald. Not even Gaban is vouching for him.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

He didn't leave to fight back, he left because he was cornered. The note he left didn't help the only people who could help him. He resigned several times and again, Luffy had to slap sense into him.

I think Sanji has a strong will, but there's a reason Zoro won out at TB. In Alabasta, "shut up and stop being afraid" of what?

He told bege and everyone he’s going to fight back even going so far as to outright reject pudding to her face. It wasn’t till much later when Zeff was put in direct danger and Sanjis cooking ability was threatened that he had to resign himself. Conquerors bowing only to protect those important to them is normal.

And when Zoro was scared that Luffy died in Alabasta after he went off alone to fight croc. Zoro won out at TB because he hit Sanji with a sneak shot cause Zoro knew Sanji wouldn’t back down as long as he’s conscious

 

[Welkin]

Do you know the chapter for that Brook statement or at least the context for why he said it?

Spoiler

Bottom right

Funnily enough I don’t fully agree with Brook here. Their resolve might’ve been the same but I think their approach to the issue was the difference between life and death

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Spoiler

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Funnily enough I don’t fully agree with Brook here. Their resolve might’ve been the same but I think their approach to the issue was the difference between life and death

To be fair both of them approached this issue believing they’d die. Zoro didn’t think he’d survive either.

 

[Fn Lucci]

He told bege and everyone he’s going to fight back even going so far as to outright reject pudding to her face. It wasn’t till much later when Zeff was put in direct danger and Sanjis cooking ability was threatened that he had to resign himself. Conquerors bowing only to protect those important to them is normal.

And when Zoro was scared that Luffy died in Alabasta after he went off alone to fight croc. Zoro won out at TB because he hit Sanji with a sneak shot cause Zoro knew Sanji wouldn’t back down as long as he’s conscious

So Zoro gave up on fighting against BW until Sanji motivated him? Lol of course you know that's not true. Zoro was concerned about the level based on his experience with Mihawk. And not only did Luffy lose, he lost the second encounter as well after apologizing for the first one. Zoro's concern was well founded and never impaired his own ability.

As for this reframing of WCI: I like that arc a lot and how it used Sanji. It was as much about his will as it was about his lack of choice and weaknesses in general, and how it's okay. This is literally the exchange between Luffy and Judge.

Let's not act like the Sanji crying in the rain meme came about from how badass he was, please.

 

[Rumble]

I'm not running anywhere bruv. I invited you to respond lol.

Inviting responses you're simply going to dismiss is running away, my boy.

You puts on airs @Doggo made a weak argument, but all he did was point out an obvious fact that directly contradicts you, and you've been unable to offer a rebuttal.

By calling it weak and yapping about everything else but the point, you hope to distract from it. Not only is that some weak shit, it's transparent.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

wuld be a random cop out for a character that has shown no reasoning to have Conquerors other than plot convenience

 

[Welkin]

To be fair both of them approached this issue believing they’d die. Zoro didn’t think he’d survive either.

He thought he’d die initially and clearly pushed through with the will to live

Now I’m not saying Sanji couldn’t have also changed his mind but I’m not entirely sure he was in great enough shape to “tank” it anyway

He took more damage than Zoro that arc iirc

 

[Sir Yasheen]

He thought he’d die initially and clearly pushed through with the will to live

Now I’m not saying Sanji couldn’t have also changed his mind but I’m not entirely sure he was in great enough shape to “tank” it anyway

He took more damage than Zoro that arc iirc

I don’t think he pushed through with the will to live, that looked like destiny stepping in imo. Zoro requested a change of location after taking a piece of the pain purely for the reason that his friends didn’t have to wake up and see his dead body afterall. He genuinely accepted his death which is why the scene was so great imo, it was a great callback to Zoro telling Luffy that Luffy would have to kill himself if he got in the way of Zoros dream. And now here’s Zoro willing to kill himself for Luffys. But that was just my interpretation of it.

 

[Raiden7]

It will be hell. And I will be here laughing to the non believers.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Inviting responses you're simply going to dismiss is running away, my boy.

You puts on airs @Doggo made a weak argument, but all he did was point out an obvious fact that directly contradicts you, and you've been able to offer a rebuttal.

By calling it weak and yapping about everything else but the point, you hope to distract from it. Not only is that some weak shit, it's transparent.

Well... No. If I disagree then of course I'll explain why. I see right through the "u mad zori" stuff and I can imagine that's where all this projection is stemming from.

You keep trying to tag in Doggo to help you, but you gotta help yourself. Do you have anything to explain from your understanding of the manga?

 

[Rumble]

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Funnily enough I don’t fully agree with Brook here. Their resolve might’ve been the same but I think their approach to the issue was the difference between life and death

In a life or death situation, Sanji is the first to give his life for his comrades. That mfer can't wait to die for the cause.

Spoiler: ch 137

Spoiler: ch 284

 

[Sir Yasheen]

So Zoro gave up on fighting against BW until Sanji motivated him? Lol of course you know that's not true. Zoro was concerned about the level based on his experience with Mihawk. And not only did Luffy lose, he lost the second encounter as well after apologizing for the first one. Zoro's concern was well founded and never impaired his own ability.

As for this reframing of WCI: I like that arc a lot and how it used Sanji. It was as much about his will as it was about his lack of choice and weaknesses in general, and how it's okay. This is literally the exchange between Luffy and Judge.

Let's not act like the Sanji crying in the rain meme came about from how badass he was, please.

If that’s what you got from the arc you need to reread. The arc was about Sanji finding a family who accept and love him as he is and being confronted by the family who didn’t and showing that there is nothing Sanji won’t do to keep the family who accepted him alive.

And again the part about WCI you’re talking about is when Sanji lost the ability to choose. Once Zeff and Sanjis cooking was threatened is when you’re referring to. But prior to that he was fighting the engagement and rejected the girl because he wanted to return to the sunny

 

[Royal Kick]

- told Zoro to abandon his dream

That was Sanji projecting and trying to talk himself into abandoning his own dream for the sake of Zeff, hence Zeff alluded to Sanji having the same resolve after Zoro vs Mihawk.

and in fact abandoned his own dream at WCI

He didn't abandon his dream, he sacrificed his life to protect Zeff and his crew, the kind of thing we see CoC users do constantly.

- was always under Zeff, is now under Luffy. This is not Zoro as a lone wolf or with little bros, not Jinbe who lead the Sun Pirates, or Franky who had the Family

Katakuri has been under BM his whole life.

- Black Maria

What about Black Maria? His absolute refusal to hit her because she's a woman, even going as far as refusing to cover his body with CoA to not hurt her, shows his great willpower.

- there are only two conquerors in the crew so far, and it's not like he doesn't defer when necessary. I brought up WCI but Zoro also had to knock some sense into him before.

Zoro and Sanji knocked some sense into Luffy multiple times, does that mean Luffy shouldn't have CoC?

When did Zoro knock some sense into Sanji, btw? I don't remember this.

 

[Fn Lucci]

If that’s what you got from the arc you need to reread. The arc was about Sanji finding a family who accept and love him as he is and being confronted by the family who didn’t and showing that there is nothing Sanji won’t do to keep the family who accepted him alive.

And again the part about WCI you’re talking about is when Sanji lost the ability to choose. Once Zeff and Sanjis cooking was threatened is when you’re referring to. But prior to that he was fighting the engagement and rejected the girl because he wanted to return to the sunny

He didn't reject her, she rejected him. The plot between Linlin and Judge was a sham, and she broke his heart when he found out that she was an accomplice.

This is why despite the fact that the arc featured him seeming to choose his family, he decided to save them because he actually can't. Sanji, without any doubt, would not have returned if Luffy didn't pursue him. This is where I can see some parallel with Ace, at least.