Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1168 Spoilers Discussion
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I bet he couldn't beat her in a fight.
That's why he says mothers are the strongest while killing them off all the time and has a character called Big Mom who gets hit and tossed around a lot and who couldn't make it to Kaido's list.
His mom was his personal Yujiro and he could never surpass her, his entire portrayal of mothers in OP reflects that. It's all connected you see.
That's why he says mothers are the strongest while killing them off all the time and has a character called Big Mom who gets hit and tossed around a lot and who couldn't make it to Kaido's list.
His mom was his personal Yujiro and he could never surpass her, his entire portrayal of mothers in OP reflects that. It's all connected you see.
I think the story has already made this pretty clear, and Oda wants the readers to use their brains a little here. Oh God I’m defending Lolda please kill me
For what Harald’s goal is, a future where giants and humans can permanently coexist peacefully without fighting each other, why wouldn’t you try to join the World Government of humanity lol
Even if Harald knew from the start that the people at the top of the WG were demonic parasites, that still wouldn’t change the fact that the WG is the largest assembly of humanity and that having peace with them is the only way to achieve large scale peace with humanity.
I think it was really only stated once because this manga is trash, but the WG didn’t want Harald and the giants making peace with humans unless Harald was going to make peace with the WG directly. And even then they secretly never would have accepted them. You can call Harald an idiot for not realizing that but I think for what his goal was, attempting to achieve peace with the WG was his only option.
For what Harald’s goal is, a future where giants and humans can permanently coexist peacefully without fighting each other, why wouldn’t you try to join the World Government of humanity lol
Even if Harald knew from the start that the people at the top of the WG were demonic parasites, that still wouldn’t change the fact that the WG is the largest assembly of humanity and that having peace with them is the only way to achieve large scale peace with humanity.
I think it was really only stated once because this manga is trash, but the WG didn’t want Harald and the giants making peace with humans unless Harald was going to make peace with the WG directly. And even then they secretly never would have accepted them. You can call Harald an idiot for not realizing that but I think for what his goal was, attempting to achieve peace with the WG was his only option.
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People didn't believe me when I said that second mark doesn't only give regen but also power.
The last seal will increase power further more, current Garling its at his peak because of that.
Shamrock is basically Shanks with a major power up and two arms.
Crazy.
And yes, same potential and Oda has established that living as a pirate, facing WB pirates and learning kamusari for 24 years = training in the holy land.
Very good.
Indeed Shamrock is the strongest swordsman rn.
The last seal will increase power further more, current Garling its at his peak because of that.
Shamrock is basically Shanks with a major power up and two arms.
Crazy.
And yes, same potential and Oda has established that living as a pirate, facing WB pirates and learning kamusari for 24 years = training in the holy land.
Very good.
Indeed Shamrock is the strongest swordsman rn.
Rocks should given harald way more info.
He not even tell him about Imu or certain aspect of history he knew .
Truth is i feel rocks not tell harald that much since he wanted him to help take over the world .
So he was keeping info close until he was hoping harald join.
That info which would really help harald out if rocks told him about 800 year old devil god that rule WG.
He not even tell him about Imu or certain aspect of history he knew .
Truth is i feel rocks not tell harald that much since he wanted him to help take over the world .
So he was keeping info close until he was hoping harald join.
That info which would really help harald out if rocks told him about 800 year old devil god that rule WG.
You are focusing too much on the literal eradication aspect and not enough on the fact that the WG has 1,000 different ways that they could have crippled Elbaph without the mother flame lol.
There are always going to be outliers, the fact that not all giants are a monolith does not invalidate Harald’s goal lmfao. It’s like saying that some humans are pirates therefore Harald shouldn’t try to achieve peace with humanity as some specific humans will always be bad. The logic doesn’t hold at all, you can achieve peace for your race in spite of the fact that not everyone from your race will always agree with you.
It didn’t work for Whitebeard. Whitebeard achieved 40 years of peace for his crew before they were destroyed completely. Again this is why I say you are being shortsighted. Harald didn’t want 40 years of peace before eradication lmfao. He didn’t even want 1,000 years of peace before eradication. He wanted permanent. Peace.
What information did Xebec give Harald that would have made him realize that? Lmfao
Xebec was an explicit enemy of the WG, the fact that the WG asked Harald to kill him should have absolutely not surprised Harald at all considering the amount of crimes Xebec had committed and would continue to commit.
There are always going to be outliers, the fact that not all giants are a monolith does not invalidate Harald’s goal lmfao. It’s like saying that some humans are pirates therefore Harald shouldn’t try to achieve peace with humanity as some specific humans will always be bad. The logic doesn’t hold at all, you can achieve peace for your race in spite of the fact that not everyone from your race will always agree with you.
It didn’t work for Whitebeard. Whitebeard achieved 40 years of peace for his crew before they were destroyed completely. Again this is why I say you are being shortsighted. Harald didn’t want 40 years of peace before eradication lmfao. He didn’t even want 1,000 years of peace before eradication. He wanted permanent. Peace.
What information did Xebec give Harald that would have made him realize that? Lmfao
Xebec was an explicit enemy of the WG, the fact that the WG asked Harald to kill him should have absolutely not surprised Harald at all considering the amount of crimes Xebec had committed and would continue to commit.
This is fair I would say, and I think that's what Oda is trying to convey. But this part
basically sums up the issue, y'know? Because imho we should've had more scenes like that one.
Like, I can see why Harald did what he did. But the manga doesn't give enough buildup to it and so it's a bit hard for me to care for it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that Oda tells us about the issue but he needs to show some more, you know, make the WG's pressuring and Harald's desparation a bit more lampshaded onscreen imo.
And tbh I think this is a recent issue where Oda often tells but does not show enough.
For e.g remember all the Yonko in GV just going NPC mode and leaving after getting punched by Rocks?
The idea was obviously that they thought they were betrayed and left, but the way it's written feels like some steps were skipped over, at least to me, and it makes the characters look like morons as a result.
basically sums up the issue, y'know? Because imho we should've had more scenes like that one.
Like, I can see why Harald did what he did. But the manga doesn't give enough buildup to it and so it's a bit hard for me to care for it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that Oda tells us about the issue but he needs to show some more, you know, make the WG's pressuring and Harald's desparation a bit more lampshaded onscreen imo.
And tbh I think this is a recent issue where Oda often tells but does not show enough.
For e.g remember all the Yonko in GV just going NPC mode and leaving after getting punched by Rocks?
The idea was obviously that they thought they were betrayed and left, but the way it's written feels like some steps were skipped over, at least to me, and it makes the characters look like morons as a result.