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We will probably still get a snippet of Shanks vs Loki though

because this chapter confirms that Shanks and Gaban knew Loki was innocent this entire time. Hence we still need some explanation as to why Loki was locked up all these years.

I doubt we will see the full fight, but we will probably get something.
I imagine we´ll have another FB on Loki´s time as a pirate and loss to Shanks, as well who Mosa is after they fight Imu. It´s technically unrelated to the actual murder and Loki not really being the anatagonist in that, as opposed to Imu.

It’s possible we could get a mini flashback later, but that’d be a lot considering we also have Gunko’s and Brook’s. The easiest solution would be a retcon where Loki meets Lola while traveling at sea after escaping Elbaf
Yeah, Oda really set himself up by introducing the Loki stuff, Shanks family stuff and Gunko stuff all in one arc.
 

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Finally got to the good part with loki, but that flashback caused to much fatigue to care.
Aye I said it earlier, flashback fatigue is a real thing here. Xebec was the best thing to happen post-timeskip, but now that his story is over most people are just ready to go back to the present lol
 
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Loki and Lola might never be mentioned again. Shit probably got retconned.
Yeh

stuff doesn't make much sense in the first place

Loki was shown proposing to Lola as a silhouette with multiple other giants near him. And meme believed that Loki marrying lola would give her elfab support.

But, Loki killed harald 14 years ago. So he would not have any giants with him nor would he have elfab support if he proposed to Lola only recently.

Not to mention he's been locked up for 6 years.

Anyway, if we take the proposal time as before 14 years ago, shit gets messed up. Lola is 26 rn. So Loki would have proposed to a 12 year old...


So either Loki proposed before 6 years, which opens up the plot hole of Loki still having some giants supporting him and meme's famed intelligence gathering being wrong about Loki being the ticket to control elfab.

Or Loki proposed 14 years ago and oda messed up the ages and timelines
 
Yeh

stuff doesn't make much sense in the first place

Loki was shown proposing to Lola as a silhouette with multiple other giants near him. And meme believed that Loki marrying lola would give her elfab support.

But, Loki killed harald 14 years ago. So he would not have any giants with him nor would he have elfab support if he proposed to Lola only recently.

Not to mention he's been locked up for 6 years.

Anyway, if we take the proposal time as before 14 years ago, shit gets messed up. Lola is 26 rn. So Loki would have proposed to a 12 year old...


So either Loki proposed before 6 years, which opens up the plot hole of Loki still having some giants supporting him and meme's famed intelligence gathering being wrong about Loki being the ticket to control elfab.

Or Loki proposed 14 years ago and oda messed up the ages and timelines
He might just straight up retcon their relationship out of existence tbh
 
You guys keep calling retcons on stuff, but what has actually ever been retconned in One Piece?

1. Luffy's fruit
- It's not a retcon if the story itself involves hiding what it was.

2. Haki in Post TS
- The earlier characters didn't show black armament Haki because the ones shown didn't need to. However, there were already hints of advanced Haki to be explained later with characters like Ben Beckman who threatened Kizaru.
- Ben Beckman couldn't hurt Kizaru if his gun was using plain bullets, so it is implied he would've done something to them to make them effective. This implies he would've introduced advanced armament in pre TS if he had actually shot him.
- It's not totally necessary for Shanks to display armament Haki just because he blocked Akainu. At this point in the story, it was just an implied thing. Haki, in general, is invisible too.

3. Sanji being a genetically engineered human
- This wasn't a retcon either, it was just new information to the readers which Sanji didn't care to discuss until recently because he didn't like his past. He did explain he was born in the North Blue a long time ago (multiple times).

Everything has an explanation, so, no, you shouldn't expect Loki and Lola to be retconned. It will have some kind of explanation eventually and possibly play a role in the future just like everything else did.
 
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I think you guys believed memes more than the story itself and that's how your reasoning on the story got so messed up.

Memes can significantly change people's perspectives on stories and events. They achieve this by simplifying complex issues into easily digestible, emotionally resonant, and highly shareable content that can bypass critical thinking and help shape public opinion.

Are you reading One Piece or Meme Piece?
 
Yeh

stuff doesn't make much sense in the first place

Loki was shown proposing to Lola as a silhouette with multiple other giants near him. And meme believed that Loki marrying lola would give her elfab support.

But, Loki killed harald 14 years ago. So he would not have any giants with him nor would he have elfab support if he proposed to Lola only recently.

Not to mention he's been locked up for 6 years.

Anyway, if we take the proposal time as before 14 years ago, shit gets messed up. Lola is 26 rn. So Loki would have proposed to a 12 year old...


So either Loki proposed before 6 years, which opens up the plot hole of Loki still having some giants supporting him and meme's famed intelligence gathering being wrong about Loki being the ticket to control elfab.

Or Loki proposed 14 years ago and oda messed up the ages and timelines
There’s a chance the giants surrounding him are former members of his crew (if he had one, I mean he has a bounty) but that still wouldn’t fully explain why Big Mom would assume marrying Lola off to Loki would ensure Elbaf’s allegiance to Totoland
 
You guys keep calling retcons on stuff, but what has actually ever been retconned in One Piece?

1. Luffy's fruit
- It's not a retcon if the story itself involves hiding what it was.

2. Haki in Post TS
- The earlier characters didn't show black armament Haki because the ones shown didn't need to. However, there were already hints of advanced Haki to be explained later with characters like Ben Beckman who threatened Kizaru.
- Ben Beckman couldn't hurt Kizaru if his gun was using plain bullets, so it is implied he would've done something to them to make them effective. This implies he would've introduced advanced armament in pre TS if he had actually shot him.
- It's not totally necessary for Shanks to display armament Haki just because he blocked Akainu. At this point in the story, it was just an implied thing. Haki, in general, is invisible too.

3. Sanji being a genetically engineered human
- This wasn't a retcon either, it was just new information to the readers which Sanji didn't care to discuss until recently because he didn't like his past. He did explain he was born in the North Blue a long time ago (multiple times).

Everything has an explanation, so, no, you shouldn't expect Loki and Lola to be retconned. It will have some kind of explanation eventually and possibly play a role in the future just like everything else did.
Are we reading the same thing bro ? The amount of retcons done so far in Elbaf it's insane let alone post TS as a whole
 
1. Luffy's fruit
- It's not a retcon if the story itself involves hiding what it was.
It never did ??
gum gum no fruit was stated to be in the df book only for vegapunk to say it doesnt …
It even had a picture lmfao .

“ you learn the name of the fruit when u eat it “
This was stated when kaku ate his devil fruit,
Yet luffy never knew it was the nika fruit ?

oda himself doesnt like when the mc is given something OP from the get-go
And then we got luffy’s mythical zoan which only had the properties of rubber.

saying onepiece doesnt have any retcons is stupid , u are looking at it from a dickriding perspective .
 
Are we reading the same thing bro ? The amount of retcons done so far in Elbaf it's insane let alone post TS as a whole
I'm not sure we are reading the same thing. You have a very different perception of the story.
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It never did ??
gum gum no fruit was stated to be in the df book only for vegapunk to say it doesnt …
It even had a picture lmfao .

“ you learn the name of the fruit when u eat it “
This was stated when kaku ate his devil fruit,
Yet luffy never knew it was the nika fruit ?

oda himself doesnt like when the mc is given something OP from the get-go
And then we got luffy’s mythical zoan which only had the properties of rubber.

saying onepiece doesnt have any retcons is stupid , u are looking at it from a dickriding perspective .
All of that can be explained, you're just speaking from the perspective of memes and agendas.
 
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