Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1170 Spoilers Discussion

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Half of that damage was Ragnir. That has 0 to do with Loki's CoC level.

point is?
it his weapon , hes the only person thats being allowed to wield it in decades. do you say the same for broken df users?
you are finding ways to cope


loki calls shanks a coward
its pretty simple " his defeat" wasnt clear cut

 

[sanjikun]

Yes because those Warlords actually did shit
Doflamingo is rotting in prison with his right hand man dead on Punk Hazard, Monet dead on Punk Hazard too, the SAD Factory destroyed, Kaido (his biggest business partner) likely dead or just inactive now, and the rest of his crew is also locked up in Impel Down.
Even if he managed to escape what would be the point lol he has nothing to do now

Hancock literally didn't do shit and her bounty went from 80 mill to 1.6b. Try harder.

 

[Dragon777]

Ragnir has nothing to do with Loki's CoC which is the point.

It's the reason he can muster an attack far beyond his actual level.

Sure: It's his weapon.
It's like saying that without Gryphon Shanks would hit less harder...which is true.

Full Power 17 YO Loki hits harder than Gaban + Shanks.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Hancock literally didn't do shit and her bounty went from 80 mill to 1.6b. Try harder.

Again she's actually doing things. She's the active ruler of an entire island, for example.
Doffy isn't doing anything and likely won't be for the rest of the story. We're already in the final saga so there's no spot for him to take in the story

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Hancock literally didn't do shit and her bounty went from 80 mill to 1.6b. Try harder.

because hers was frozen buddy
apples to oranges

 

[sanjikun]

point is?
it his weapon , hes the only person thats being allowed to wield it in decades
you are finding ways to cope


loki calls shanks a coward
its pretty simple " his defeat" wasnt clear cut

Point is, Ragnir doesn't make your ACoC Yonko level or PK level. It just makes your attack stronger.

Shanks clearly has much stronger CoC than Loki because his base is stronger.

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This was what Garp explained: base attack + Haki.

Loki with Ragnir and DF got an insane boost in their base attack, but clearly his CoC is not at Shanks level.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Point is, Ragnir doesn't make your ACoC Yonko level or PK level. It just makes your attack stronger.

Shanks clearly has much stronger CoC than Loki because his base is stronger.

sure no one claimed ragnir made your coc stronger

if shanks coc was stronger then he would be able to generate enough mass to overwhelm harald's coc defense

please reread the roger and garp fight
they broke through not due to attack power but due to the combined mass of their conquerors
this was literally explained.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Point is, Ragnir doesn't make your ACoC Yonko level or PK level. It just makes your attack stronger.

Shanks clearly has much stronger CoC than Loki because his base is stronger.

It wouldn't have accepted Loki if he weren't strong and determined as hell lol
Even Harald couldn't get past Ragnir for a long time. It's said that only after the immense amp Imu gave him could he defeat Ragnir in a 1v1

 

[sanjikun]

sure no one claimed ragnir made your coc stronger

if shanks coc was stronger then he would be able to generate enough mass to overwhelm harald's coc defense

please reread the roger and garp fight
they broke through not due to attack power but due to the combined mass of their conquerors
this was literally explained.

I mean modern Shanks. I dont know how strong he was back then.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I mean modern Shanks. I dont know how strong he was back then.

Do you think Snack > DR Law and Luffy individually? He had 600M and they had 500M.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

this isnt just about attack power
pls drop your dc calcs
@sanjikun

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I mean modern Shanks. I dont know how strong he was back then.

top high tier to low top tier

 

[sanjikun]

sure no one claimed ragnir made your coc stronger

if shanks coc was stronger then he would be able to generate enough mass to overwhelm harald's coc defense

please reread the roger and garp fight
they broke through not due to attack power but due to the combined mass of their conquerors
this was literally explained.

Mate are you saying 16 year old teenage Loki had stronger CoC than DR Harald? Let's be fucking serious here. If that were the case Shanks wouldn't beat his ass.

It was the combination of Ragnir + new DF + ACoC that broke Harald's spell, and even then Harald let him kill him.

So, no it's not like Roger and Garp at all. That was all Haki.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

No talks were omitted besides him telling Sanji something

The entire conversation was. We just saw the end of it

 

[sanjikun]

Do you think Snack > DR Law and Luffy individually? He had 600M and they had 500M.

Again Yonko Saga vs. DR era.

If Sabo was 600 mill in DR, Doffy's 1 bill would be insane.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Mate are you saying 16 year old teenage Loki had stronger CoC than DR Harald? Let's be fucking serious here. If that were the case Shanks wouldn't beat his ass.

It was the combination of Ragnir + new DF + ACoC that broke Harald's spell, and even then Harald let him kill him.

So, no it's not like Roger and Garp at all. That was all Haki.

yes thats what we are saying, he generated more mass than harald to break through

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Oda is STILL keeping Loki's fruit a mystery but somehow he's going to job to Shanks in 2 chapters? Makes no sense. This flashback purpose is literally to hype Loki up, all this Harald and Xebec (a guy that was present in Kaido's top for those who care) gas was just to make Loki looks better.

 

[MarineHQ]

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Mate are you saying 16 year old teenage Loki had stronger CoC than DR Harald? Let's be fucking serious here. If that were the case Shanks wouldn't beat his ass.

It was the combination of Ragnir + new DF + ACoC that broke Harald's spell, and even then Harald let him kill him.

So, no it's not like Roger and Garp at all. That was all Haki.

you cant just invent new paradigms because it makes you uncomfortable lanjikun . you have to base it on evidence thats already shown and thats exactly how it worked with roger and garp.

 

[sanjikun]

yes thats what we are saying, he generated more mass than harald to break through

Which the weapon played half the role. Basically what people were accusing Zoro of with Enma is actually true with Loki.

But his CoC is clearly still lagging, which is why you can't use 1 single attack to powerscale overall power.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Oda is STILL keeping Loki's fruit a mystery but somehow he's going to job to Shanks in 2 chapters? Makes no sense. This flashback purpose is literally to hype Loki up, all this Harald and Xebec (a guy that was present in Kaido's top for those who care) gas was just to make Loki looks better.

two reasons why oda would do this

- his self insert had to beat him so he's wanked to god tier to make shanks look even better
- pirate jesus has to beat an imu amped loki this arc