[FNZ] Super Role Madness Naruto Shippuden: An Alternate Universe Mafia Game Thread [Game Ended - Mafia Win]

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Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
Yes, youre asking me something stupid.

Youre not pressed to get Michelle's claim when it can potentially help save her, but youre focusing on a gift that(again) can theoretically be used against me in a way to justify a mislynch on me without being blamed.
If Michelle is town she will claim. She won't fall on her sword and just take the lynch if her claim can help her. Me asking her isn't any different from anyone else asking her, the demand for her claim is there and I can't make her reveal it.

Also, it seems like you're implying I'm trying to make something out of this - you're the one trying ti draw this position out of me, all I said was that if someone sent you this gift it would be worth them claiming it. I never brought up the potential for it to be scummy for you until you asked for me to explain the pros and cons of securing the claim. If you don't want me to be focusing on it, why are you pushing for it?
 
Well if we're getting into WIFOM territory, but if you perceive that there is risk involved in you claiming to be able to heal poisons but only for yourself, you may want to suggest it's just a gift you were given by someone you don't know. Especially useful if you think you can successfully argue and convince people not to seek confirmation of it through claim. I already know how you'll respond to this but we both know that you're only arguing that it's stupid because it has been suggested.

Alternatively, and this is where you seem to have missed the nuance of my original response on this, you may as town not want to let scum know that you have immunity to poison, lest they try it again after you've healed it.
It's stupid when there's better, safer alternatives. Risking a more stupid choice in attempts to argue for it using wifom is a needlessly risky play, but agsin you're of this. Everything cant just be dismissed as wifom, otherwise Flower's absurd accusations would hold merit because id do them for WIFOM reasons.

Im not lying. Lying while in poe is just dumb and hurtful to town. I just want everything in the open, cant have anyone acting like I wasnt anything but upfront with literally everything and was somehow at fault for my own lynch.

Ive given scum reads, isoed players I didnt have a read on, questioned my town reads to ensure there was no oversight, provided updates on my poe and progressed it with new info while also explaining my progressions. Ive claimed any and all results and actions and anything useful to town from my pm. Surely there's no contention here that im not doing my best to help town read me, so I have no reason to create new reasons for town to mistrust me.
 
All before you repped in. You are a busser as well, pushing her and expanding on it means nothing when other players have her as scum, for me it can be a bus.
None of that is bussing. Flower has mostly pushed me and orca since that list so it's as useful as single ply toilet paper.

Im a busser? Where have I bussed fuji? Who have I bussed? Where did you see me bussing?
 

Day 4 - Vote Count 3

Votes:
Flower ->
Neeko
Hayumi -> Daniel
Naomi -> Daniel
Power -> Alexis > Daniel > Alexis > Daniel > Unvote > Daniel
Alexis -> Daniel
Michelle -> Daniel
Shuijing -> Daniel
Galaxy -> Neeko
Neeko -> Bradland

Count:
Daniel = 8
(Hayumi, Naomi, Alexis, Michelle, Shujing, Power)
Neeko = 2 (Flower, Galaxy)
Bradland = 1 (Neeko)


Please let me know if I made any mistakes.

With 21 alive, it is 11 votes required for majority.

Day 4 ends in a little less than 28 hours.

Countdown
Living Players [21/27]:
  1. @Fujishiro
  2. @Alexis2282AE
  3. @Yoho
  4. @Naomi
  5. @Polar Bear
  6. @BoaHancocksHusband
  7. @Alwaysmind
  8. @Daniel
  9. @Ratchet
  10. @Hayumi
  11. @Ultra @Neeko
  12. @Random Asshole
  13. @Shuijing
  14. @Michelle
  15. @Flower
  16. @Paragorn @PowerLevel9000
  17. @Charlie
  18. @GalaxyLevelShanks
  19. @bradland
  20. @Higuma @Jan
  21. @Cadis Etrama Di Urek
Dead Players [6/27]:
  1. @bittersweet - Yotsuki Multi-Taste - Akatsuki - Lynched Day 1 (LINK)
  2. @RippedCal - The Shredded Ape - Shinobi Alliance - Sealed Night 1 (LINK)
  3. @York - Yamanaka Inork - Akatsuki - Died Night 1 (LINK)
  4. @SakazOuki - Momochi Sakabuza - Akatsuki - Lynched Night 2 (LINK)
  5. @The Orca - Hoshigaki Korca - Shinobi Alliance - Sealed Day 3 (LINK)
  6. @JustJuice - Killer C - Akatsuki - Lynched Day 3 (LINK)
Should be one vote to hammer.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
It's stupid when there's better, safer alternatives. Risking a more stupid choice in attempts to argue for it using wifom is a needlessly risky play, but agsin you're of this. Everything cant just be dismissed as wifom, otherwise Flower's absurd accusations would hold merit because id do them for WIFOM reasons.
I don't know, it would depend on your role, and any hypothetical role your teammates would have too. I know you certainly possess the sort of ego required to believe you could argue anything successfully, so I don't find this very persuasive. Making a "suboptimal" decision that you can then defend as proof of you not being scum is also pretty common for decent scum, provided of course that they can defend the suboptimal angle correctly. And given that you apparently believed there's no reason for any gift giver to claim here, then I think it stands you, as scum, would plausibly believe you could argue it's existence without having to prove it.
Im not lying. Lying while in poe is just dumb and hurtful to town. I just want everything in the open, cant have anyone acting like I wasnt anything but upfront with literally everything and was somehow at fault for my own lynch.
Cool, I can safely eliminate that as a possibility then.
Ive given scum reads, isoed players I didnt have a read on, questioned my town reads to ensure there was no oversight, provided updates on my poe and progressed it with new info while also explaining my progressions. Ive claimed any and all results and actions and anything useful to town from my pm. Surely there's no contention here that im not doing my best to help town read me, so I have no reason to create new reasons for town to mistrust me.
I don't think any of this has anything to do with the discussion so I'll leave it with no further response.

Next!
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
Vote Daniel.

Out of patience with Michelle.

If Shanks dies, make Magic use the Duel on her tomorrow and get both out.
What happened to wanting to use the extra time? I mean I can hammer now but you've basically gotten through today without having to post actively.
 
I don't know, it would depend on your role, and any hypothetical role your teammates would have too. I know you certainly possess the sort of ego required to believe you could argue anything successfully, so I don't find this very persuasive. Making a "suboptimal" decision that you can then defend as proof of you not being scum is also pretty common for decent scum, provided of course that they can defend the suboptimal angle correctly. And given that you apparently believed there's no reason for any gift giver to claim here, then I think it stands you, as scum, would plausibly believe you could argue it's existence without having to prove it.
Decent scum can and will do that. Decent scum will also look at their thread position and know when it's appropriate to do it vs not. With my thread position it definitely isn't appropriate
 

Fujishiro

Cheese for everyone!
None of that is bussing.
Huh?
Flower has mostly pushed me and orca since that list so it's as useful as single ply toilet paper.
Not sure why youre deflecting, I just brought up that you werent the first and thats a fact.
Im a busser? Where have I bussed fuji? Who have I bussed? Where did you see me bussing?
Poyser told Flower that you and Craig like to bus mates for cred down the line to clear another teammate, probably the one who ''healed'' you.
 
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