Powers & Abilities New Goalpost for Zoro?

#42
Gap is an illusion.
All the YC1 can deccesively hold against an admiral and will eventually lose. They don't have a winning condition against them, except like Zoro, Beckmann and shiryu.

It doesn't matter if Shiryu is a top tier or not.
It's the basic principle of One piece fights.

Luffy fights an opponent and next arc, Zoro beats someone of sams caliber or higher.

Egghead doesn't count, as Both Kaidou and King are superior to Kizaru and Lucci.

Next major arc will be Against blackbeard only.

Shiryu will most likely end up as low top tier whether you like it or not.
Gap between YC1s and top tiers like Kaido is big. Even 5 Marco can't do anything to flame bagua Kaido. Shiryu was bleeding from a no name slam from old injured garp.
 
#43
Thats fucking retarded
BB will surpass Rocks but his No 2 wont surpass WB
And because Shiryu wont be that high Zoro cant be that high right now
Mental olympics bro
Rocks were special crew though. BBPs don't compare to rocks crew. If BBPs end up being Eos villains , then I can see shiryu being top tier. If WG are final villains then I doubt shiryu will be a top tier.
 
#44
Gap between YC1s and top tiers like Kaido is big. Even 5 Marco can't do anything to flame bagua Kaido. Shiryu was bleeding from a no name slam from old injured garp.
Blazing Bagua is extreme end of Top tier shit.
And I never said they would win, but they can hold off easily against them.

So garp from the stab. If you were to ask who took more damage then I'm definately saying Garp.
Shiryu got up immidietly and was the only one without any damage post thr sequence.

I consider Katakuri and Marco to be YC1.
Zoro, Shiryu, king and Beckman falls under inbetweener/low top tier for me.
 
#46
Rocks were special crew though. BBPs don't compare to rocks crew. If BBPs end up being Eos villains , then I can see shiryu being top tier. If WG are final villains then I doubt shiryu will be a top tier.
Entire show revolves around Inheriting will and surpassing them.
Luffy has to surpass shanks/Roger crew.
Blackbeard has to surpass rocks/whitebeard crew.
 
#47
Entire show revolves around Inheriting will and surpassing them.
Luffy has to surpass shanks/Roger crew.
Blackbeard has to surpass rocks/whitebeard crew.
Logically yes but for now BBPs are fodderish. Kuzan negged half of them easy. Only way I can see BBPs as a whole being above rocks pirates is them being FV. Even then do you think someone like Pizarro being above Big mom or shiki who fought prime garp and Sengoku in 2v1 and destroyed half of marineford?
 
#48
Logically yes but for now BBPs are fodderish. Kuzan negged half of them easy. Only way I can see BBPs as a whole being above rocks pirates is them being FV. Even then do you think someone like Pizarro being above Big mom or shiki who fought prime garp and Sengoku in 2v1 and destroyed half of marineford?
First I want you to seperate major Xebec crew people.

Xebec
Whitebeard
Shiki
Linlin

These 4 are the only who made their names out in the world. Kaidou was still a kid so I'm not counting him.

- Xebex ~ Easily top tier no doubt. (Swordsmanship + Haki)
- Whitebeard ~ again at the very least Low top tier (AdCoC + Gura)
- Shiki ~ Can't really qualify him as top tier, did nothing major in god valley, and only his fruit is there. No haki feats.
- Linlin, again YC1 at best or inbetweener..

Rest were as good as fodders back then. Given the current powerscaling trend.

- Blackbeard ~ Bound to be top tier.
- Shiryu ~ At the very least low top tier.
- kuzan ~ Top tier
- one wild card, or it could be anyone among rest of the crew who can act as inbetweener.

Rest will as good as fodders.
 
#51
Zoro will be a top tier when Oda is comfortable with having him fight one.

The same thing happened when most people thought Zoro would be too strong for a YC1 after the rooftop and then proceeded to get bodied by one. Never forget it was Zoro fans shitting on King for an entire year thinking that YC1 were beneath Zoro.

Isolated aura farming is cool, stat sheets are cool, but going up 1v1 against one is an entirely different ballgame.
What did that Top tier ( Luffy) do when he ran in baby kid weaker Lunrians? Surly Top tier Luffy 1 tap him especially with help from Lucci right. Here comes the excuses in the reply
 
#58
3 days fight where kaido and Big Mom did jackshit to each other vs 30 second fight where zoro faced kaido 1 v 1 while injured and cut him up.

I think the later fight was more serious.

Zoro also blocked Gabans attack (a suden attacks without warning aimed at luffy ) most top tier arent blocking that either cause too slow. Aramaki and Big Mom definitely cant. The first is a DF merchant his trees will get slice up the later too slow to react.
 
#59
3 days fight where kaido and Big Mom did jackshit to each other vs 30 second fight where zoro faced kaido 1 v 1 while injured and cut him up.

I think the later fight was more serious.

Zoro also blocked Gabans attack (a suden attacks without warning aimed at luffy ) most top tier arent blocking that either cause too slow. Aramaki and Big Mom definitely cant. The first is a DF merchant his trees will get slice up the later too slow to react.
Your first point is a really good one, however Gabban was taking it easy on Luffy & Zoro in order to test them. I don’t think that’s anything truly worth mentioning.
 
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