Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

You won't touch the hardcore far-righties and no one did and can by themselves on this forum only.

But it's time to recognize that you may have had some influence over "others" wether they acknowledge it or not is a different business.

Perhaps.
I never claimed to be perfect, I'm far from that. I just tried my best to change my path and I somehow naively thought that I would be able to help some people to do just that. Time will tell if this was worth it.

Ironically, debating here allowed me to sharpen my politicization. Without it, I wouldn't have radicalized so quickly and effectively. I literally learned as I was typing. So... there is that.



Anyway. Onward to fascism we go !

 

[Midnight Delight]

Viva la La Le Pen :^)

 

[Mathias]

In recent violence, they targetted few tourists buses

World Cup should be just as same as in Brazil in relation to cartels.

I'm no foreteller but nothing major happened in these events in post-9/11 world.

Cartels will sell a lot of weed and coke to tourists. Business must flow.

 

[Mathias]

I just checked the picture of some stadiums for the world cup. It reminded me of how hugely stadiums are degenerate.

It's supposed to be some grass but ends up with humongous bleachers, a foooken roof, lighting that could lit up an entire city and cameras all over the place.

A speceship.

 

[Blax Blah]

 

[Monkey D Theories]

never have I seen such glaze in my life

It’s honestly reminiscent of how North Koreans interact with Kim Jong Un

 

[Midnight Delight]

Tbh
The Cartel problem that Mexico is having is probably the future of all Middle Income Trapped countries

 

[Logiko]

Remember this:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2025906210265076149

Being inhuman is not a human trait. It comes from what we know, from what we learn and from what we experience. Inhumanity is a social engineering. And just like any mechanical system, it can be dismantled and rewritten through the systems.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2022034982202638385

Never ever make the mistake of treating people as "monsters", no matter the crime, or you will blind yourself from the systems that breeds their behavior and you will miss the core truth: being that under the same set of conditions, you too would become "the monster"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2025712862820270318

We are not gods nor monsters, we are the results of our material conditions of existence. So make the best choice and learn to see the system behind the horror. Learn to see the material interests behind the "evil" choices. Learn to see the systems as constructions instead of inevitabilities. Learn to see the power relationships and the domination they entails. Unlearn the beliefs that serve the interests of the ruling classes and choose another path.

Some of us are willing to help you with that, but you need to make a real choice and commit:

 

[Midnight Delight]

Unlearn the beliefs that serve the interests of the ruling classes

Pretty ironic coming from someone who support open borders tbh

 

[Zenos7]

Never ever make the mistake of treating people as "monsters", no matter the crime, or you will blind yourself from the systems that breeds their behavior and you will miss the core truth: being that under the same set of conditions, you too would become "the monster"

so you dont think individual tendencies are also a factor in something like this?

 

[Logiko]

so you dont think individual tendencies are also a factor in something like this?

If I had to be honest in absolute, I would tell you that individual tendencies is not a relevant concept to explain the world.
But we don't live in this world yet andwe are not ready for that kind of discourse. In fact it could even be harmfull in a way. So the human approach is mosre suited here:

I heard a french philosoph - Chantal Jaquet - explaining this very interestingly:

She talks about the way Spinoza viewed the human action and developped a philosophy he called "the power of acting (potentia agendi)", where he explains that understanding our place in the world it's not about resigning socialy because of our assignation to a certain class nor it it is about believing in a form of individual superior "will" or "free will". It's about understanding that we have a potential of agency through "social determinated networks" internal and external. We move through our links with others.

Pretty ironic coming from someone who support open borders tbh

Unlearning the beliefs that benefit the ruling class is understanding that the ruling class does not benefit from open borders but by the frontiere, systems and thus exploitations they create through these processes.

People like me, we need open borders and the momentum of an internationality to allow all communities and people of the world to live free and take action againt the imperialistic systems in place globally. But the ruling class needs the opposite, they needs to keep frontieres in place while giving the illusion of openeness to keep their exploitative system in place.

You will never see a rightist or a liberal in power call for the abolition of frontiers.

 

[Midnight Delight]

People like me, we need open borders

People like you need state protection, not to allow millions of people who believe that mental disorders make you either "retarded" or "just an asshole who wants attention" in your country without any effort to integrate them and eventually for the western privilege you received compared to the rest of the world to be taken away

 

[Logiko]

People like you need state protection

The capitalist state is literally against me and my rights as an handicaped person. I'm not being "protected" by the state and institutions, I'm being threatened by them.

not to allow millions of people who believe that mental disorders make you either "retarded" or "just an asshole who wants attention" in your country without any effort to integrate them and eventually for the western privilege you received compared to the rest of the world to be taken away

I literally told you that I want people to be able to come in my country if they need to. i don't know what you are trying to say, but I think you didn't pay attention.

 

[Midnight Delight]

The capitalist state is literally against me and my rights as an handicaped person

When did I advocate for Capitalism? Especially the type that sells it's humanity for profit?

And let us not talk about what would have happened to you if you were born in a Communist pro Soviet country in the Cold war, or god forbid a pre 1800s time where the deaths of a "invalid" was considered something inevitable

I literally told you that I want people to be able to come in my country if they need to.

Define "Need"

i don't know what you are trying to say, but I think you didn't pay attention

If you have any idea of what non Western societies think about disabilities, you would understand what I meant

Do you consider it "inevitable" for migrants to adopt western values in regards to people like you? Do you subscribe to the same logic as The Whig Historians That we talked about earlier?

 

[Logiko]

When did I advocate for Capitalism? Especially the type that sells it's humanity for profit?

And let us not talk about what would have happened to you if you were born in a Communist pro Soviet country in the Cold war, or god forbid a pre 1800s time where the deaths of a "invalid" was considered something inevitable

I'm sorry but this "if you were born in communism you would not say that.." has no meaning here. We live in capitalism and under capitalism the state is against me. Period.

If we need to build communism now, we will try to avoid the mistakes of the past. Contrary to the right, we on the left tend to learn.

Define "Need"

Why do you need a definition ? It's very clear.

If you have any idea of what non Western societies think about disabilities, you would understand what I meant

OH I think I understand very well what you mean.

Do you consider it "inevitable" for migrants to adopt western values in regards to people like you?

Do you think that handicaped people only exist in western societies ?

 

[Roo]

Socialist/communist learn so much that they keep trying the same system that fails over and over again

just put the labor laws in the bag bro

 

[Logiko]

Socialist/communist learn so much that they keep trying the same system that fails over and over again

just put the labor laws in the bag bro

Communism never really fail over and over again on its own.

Socialist systems mostly fail because they are attacked from every side by capitalist interests through diverses embargo, blocus and sanctions or even simply, by political adversaries.

 

[Roo]

Communism never really fail over and over again on its own.

Socialist systems mostly fail because they are attacked from every side by capitalist interests through diverses embargo, blocus and sanctions or even simply, by political adversaries.

This is demonstrably false lol, the Soviet Union literally created a parallel economy and failed

And just recently bolivia tried to go full socialist and their economy eventually collapsed. Socialism is just not sustainable, it is why countries like China and Vietnam open their markets. They’re not stupid not stubborn enough to try something that doesn’t work

 

[Logiko]

This is demonstrably false lol, the Soviet Union literally created a parallel economy and failed

And just recently bolivia tried to go full socialist and their economy eventually collapsed. Socialism is just not sustainable, it is why countries like China and Vietnam open their markets. They’re not stupid not stubborn enough to try something that doesn’t work

"Sharing is not viable", says the man keeping all the cookies and stabbing anyone who tries to take one

Imperialism still has bright days ahead with defenders like you.

 

[Roo]

"Sharing is not viable", says the man keeping all the cookies and stabbing anyone who tries to take one

Imperialism still has bright days ahead with defenders like you.

“I have 0 answers to my historically wrong assessment so I’ll just say the dumbest thing possible”

alright lil bro go ahead and keep blaming capitalism for everything