Questions & Mysteries What happened to everyone that was killed while Domi Reversed?
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I've seen a couple of theories that kinda makes sense how Davy folks are still dead:
- when you are killed with DR, only DR wounds are healed, meaning that all the damage you took before still stays with you (kind of like druid Wild shape works in D&D 5e)
- if you use CoC, you still damage and can kill people in DR.
I still hate the inconsistency of this power, but maybe it's going to be cleared up in some SBS
- when you are killed with DR, only DR wounds are healed, meaning that all the damage you took before still stays with you (kind of like druid Wild shape works in D&D 5e)
- if you use CoC, you still damage and can kill people in DR.
I still hate the inconsistency of this power, but maybe it's going to be cleared up in some SBS
Harald has a Contract, so a different set of rules apply. He wasn't Reveri'd, per se. Just influenced to become a more aggressive version of himself.
As for Davy D "Pops" and "Granny", we really don't know for sure what happened to them. In chapter 1162, we see that they got Reveri'd. Then Rocks makes his stand to help buy time for Eris and lil' Teach escape. When we see him next, he's standing over a bunch of fallen people. At the time, I think most people assume he killed them, so they wouldn't suffer anymore. But, there is a chance he "killed" them, and they got un-Reversi'd. Whether they managed to escape afterwards or not is hard to say. Because the God's Knights were having fun picking stragglers off. So, they could still be alive, or they might not. We don't know.
Did Rocks know that "killing" someone brings them out of Reversi? Well...Rocks knows many things. Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe he suspected it, but wasn't sure? Unless we get another side to the flashback, we may never know. Which...isn't impossible if we eventually get a Blackbeard flashback, one way or another.
But, the weird thing is what happened to Rocks. Because that's the part that doesn't feel like it makes sense. Let's break this down.
In Chapter 1163, we see Rocks start to fight Imu. He JUST got done fighting Garling and the God's Knights and the other Reversi'd people. But, he still seems in pretty solid shape. Maybe tired? But, not unable to keep fighting. Then we see Imu-Saturn pierce him with their tentacles through his chest, and he starts to get Reveri'd. At the time, I thought that Imu's tentacle-attack was just a way to corrupt Rocks. But...maybe it harmed him more than it looked?
In Chapter 1164, Rocks is able to resist getting Reversi'd for a while. Until Imu puts more force into it and gives Rocks a order to "Put a end to Davy's Dream".
In Chapter 1165, we see that Rocks is somewhat able to resist the Reversi, seemingly due to his frustration with the situation or his love for his family or his pride as a warrior. Sending telepathic messages to Roger and Garp. And they manage to stop him with their Conqueror's Haki Combo Attacks.
In Chapter 1166, we see the aftermath of the attack. Rocks is flat on his back. Bleeding from a wound he didn't have before getting Reversi'd on his head. We don't see a clear enough shot of his chest to say whether or not Imu's tentacle attacks left holes in his chest or not. Then Garling finishes him off before he gets a chance to recover.
Now, let's compare that to what happened with Dorry and Brogy.
In Chapter 1150, Dorry and Brogy start out perfectly healthy. Then they attack Imunko. Brogy grabs Imunko. Imunko summons a knife and stabs him with it. Then, Imunko summons a shotgun and shoots Brogy's hand off, which causes it to float beside his arm for a while. Then Imunko Reveri's him. With Brogy's hand still "healing" while being Reversi'd. We don't actually see how Dorry got Reveri'd, since it happens offscreen. But, it seems like Brogy attacks him and he gets "infected" afterward. Possibly from Brogy "killing" Dorry?
In Chapter 1151, Brogy's shot-off hand is still floating, unattached.
In Chapter 1172, Brogy's hand seems to be intact. So, either it healed itself...or Oda forgot after that LONG flashback. It is partially hidden by a word balloon, but it looks pretty intact to me.
In Chapter 1173, Dorry and Brogy cut through each other's shoulders and shields.
In Chapter 1176, we see that Dorry and Brogy are able to slightly resist the Reversi, by remembering their warrior's pride. There doesn't seem to be any lingering physical wounds that would help them resist, like Harald's Mark getting slashed helping him resist. They chop off each other's head. And that un-Reveri's them. Notably...if you look closely, it seems like Brogy IS missing his hand, now. Only having a stump there when we see him from above. Although, he IS able to still use his shield with his stump.
So, looking at it all again, it seems like any damage done BEFORE the Reveri happens DOES still carry over after it's done. Imu seems to need to damage someone in order to start the "Reversi Infection". And the damage that Imu does seems permanent and doesn't get healed, after it gets undone
Brogy lost his hand after Imu blew it off. It doesn't seem to come back after he's "healed".
So, it seems pretty likely that the reason Rocks was weakened after being un-Reversi'd is because of the tentacle-holes that Imu left in his chest, while he was getting Reversi'd. That's not made very clear in the art. But, that seems likely to be the cause of Rocks' major wounds after he got un-Reversi'd. Maybe the anime will eventually make this more clear.
That doesn't quite explain Rocks' head-wound after he gets un-Reversi'd. But...let's just say he got unlucky and hit his head on a rock while he was coming out of it? Someone's liable to hit their head on SOMETHING, with all that flipping around they're doing!
Also, it seems like "pride" is likely a way to resist the Reversi? Maybe any strong emotion would be enough to break the control. But, in both instances, "pride" of different kinds could be said to be the source of what allows them to resist the mind control.
So, this DOES seem to mean that anyone who wasn't mortally wounded BEFORE they got Reversi'd, really should have been "healed" after they got out of it. So, Davy D "Pops" and "Granny" SHOULD have still been alive, even if Rocks "killed" them. Whether they stayed alive or not, given everything else happening on God Valley, that's another matter.
So, this actually DOES make some sense. It's just easy to miss that Brogy didn't get his hand back, after getting un-Reversi'd. These panels can be small, sometimes. Maybe this is over-explaining things? But, I think we all benefit from breaking down how this seems to work. It's not the most clearly-communicated thing in the world.
As for Davy D "Pops" and "Granny", we really don't know for sure what happened to them. In chapter 1162, we see that they got Reveri'd. Then Rocks makes his stand to help buy time for Eris and lil' Teach escape. When we see him next, he's standing over a bunch of fallen people. At the time, I think most people assume he killed them, so they wouldn't suffer anymore. But, there is a chance he "killed" them, and they got un-Reversi'd. Whether they managed to escape afterwards or not is hard to say. Because the God's Knights were having fun picking stragglers off. So, they could still be alive, or they might not. We don't know.
Did Rocks know that "killing" someone brings them out of Reversi? Well...Rocks knows many things. Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe he suspected it, but wasn't sure? Unless we get another side to the flashback, we may never know. Which...isn't impossible if we eventually get a Blackbeard flashback, one way or another.
But, the weird thing is what happened to Rocks. Because that's the part that doesn't feel like it makes sense. Let's break this down.
In Chapter 1163, we see Rocks start to fight Imu. He JUST got done fighting Garling and the God's Knights and the other Reversi'd people. But, he still seems in pretty solid shape. Maybe tired? But, not unable to keep fighting. Then we see Imu-Saturn pierce him with their tentacles through his chest, and he starts to get Reveri'd. At the time, I thought that Imu's tentacle-attack was just a way to corrupt Rocks. But...maybe it harmed him more than it looked?
In Chapter 1164, Rocks is able to resist getting Reversi'd for a while. Until Imu puts more force into it and gives Rocks a order to "Put a end to Davy's Dream".
In Chapter 1165, we see that Rocks is somewhat able to resist the Reversi, seemingly due to his frustration with the situation or his love for his family or his pride as a warrior. Sending telepathic messages to Roger and Garp. And they manage to stop him with their Conqueror's Haki Combo Attacks.
In Chapter 1166, we see the aftermath of the attack. Rocks is flat on his back. Bleeding from a wound he didn't have before getting Reversi'd on his head. We don't see a clear enough shot of his chest to say whether or not Imu's tentacle attacks left holes in his chest or not. Then Garling finishes him off before he gets a chance to recover.
Now, let's compare that to what happened with Dorry and Brogy.
In Chapter 1150, Dorry and Brogy start out perfectly healthy. Then they attack Imunko. Brogy grabs Imunko. Imunko summons a knife and stabs him with it. Then, Imunko summons a shotgun and shoots Brogy's hand off, which causes it to float beside his arm for a while. Then Imunko Reveri's him. With Brogy's hand still "healing" while being Reversi'd. We don't actually see how Dorry got Reveri'd, since it happens offscreen. But, it seems like Brogy attacks him and he gets "infected" afterward. Possibly from Brogy "killing" Dorry?
In Chapter 1151, Brogy's shot-off hand is still floating, unattached.
In Chapter 1172, Brogy's hand seems to be intact. So, either it healed itself...or Oda forgot after that LONG flashback. It is partially hidden by a word balloon, but it looks pretty intact to me.
In Chapter 1173, Dorry and Brogy cut through each other's shoulders and shields.
In Chapter 1176, we see that Dorry and Brogy are able to slightly resist the Reversi, by remembering their warrior's pride. There doesn't seem to be any lingering physical wounds that would help them resist, like Harald's Mark getting slashed helping him resist. They chop off each other's head. And that un-Reveri's them. Notably...if you look closely, it seems like Brogy IS missing his hand, now. Only having a stump there when we see him from above. Although, he IS able to still use his shield with his stump.
So, looking at it all again, it seems like any damage done BEFORE the Reveri happens DOES still carry over after it's done. Imu seems to need to damage someone in order to start the "Reversi Infection". And the damage that Imu does seems permanent and doesn't get healed, after it gets undone
Brogy lost his hand after Imu blew it off. It doesn't seem to come back after he's "healed".
So, it seems pretty likely that the reason Rocks was weakened after being un-Reversi'd is because of the tentacle-holes that Imu left in his chest, while he was getting Reversi'd. That's not made very clear in the art. But, that seems likely to be the cause of Rocks' major wounds after he got un-Reversi'd. Maybe the anime will eventually make this more clear.
That doesn't quite explain Rocks' head-wound after he gets un-Reversi'd. But...let's just say he got unlucky and hit his head on a rock while he was coming out of it? Someone's liable to hit their head on SOMETHING, with all that flipping around they're doing!
Also, it seems like "pride" is likely a way to resist the Reversi? Maybe any strong emotion would be enough to break the control. But, in both instances, "pride" of different kinds could be said to be the source of what allows them to resist the mind control.
So, this DOES seem to mean that anyone who wasn't mortally wounded BEFORE they got Reversi'd, really should have been "healed" after they got out of it. So, Davy D "Pops" and "Granny" SHOULD have still been alive, even if Rocks "killed" them. Whether they stayed alive or not, given everything else happening on God Valley, that's another matter.
So, this actually DOES make some sense. It's just easy to miss that Brogy didn't get his hand back, after getting un-Reversi'd. These panels can be small, sometimes. Maybe this is over-explaining things? But, I think we all benefit from breaking down how this seems to work. It's not the most clearly-communicated thing in the world.
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