[FNZ] Super Role Madness Pokemon: I choose you!

[ThatAverageGuy]

TAG I think is town, but the way he started ignoring my slot and still keeps ratchet read feels bad from someone that puts in that much work.

I apologise if you feel I haven't been paying you attention recently. There are twenty-something other players in this game that I feel I need to try to get a handle on, however, so you'll just have to find a way to cope with those feelings of abandonment I'm afraid.

I haven't taken thread temperature on Ratchet, so I wasn't aware I shouldn't "still keep" that read. If it makes you feel any better, when I skimmed his contributions last night after he hopped in to give us an R-word reminder, I didn't see anything that gave me pause to doubt my earlier read on him.

 

[ThatAverageGuy]

He has not posted votes either, which people say is his scumtell! (posting votes in scumchat instead of thread).

Are those people in this game? I'd be very interested in hearing why they haven't brought this up for now. If you tell me their names, I'll ping them to clarify.

 

[Ratchet]

What about Cryo? You were quite suspectful about Cryo, even BEFORE knowing the mech around him. Don't you worry that Rej is a counterwagon to save Cryo?

This makes no sense - why would I assume Rej is to save Cryo when they can both be scum, and why would that be a defence of Rej even if he was created as a wagon to save him? And given that the ones pushing the Rej wagon are Luka (who I think is town) and me (who I know is town), why on Earth would I fear that he's being pushed by scum to save Cryo in the first place? Hello?

 

[Flower]

Why did you call these reads weak if you don't disagree with them?

??? Because it was just a few reads and I expected more from him.

 

[gingerbread]

ThatAverageGuy - I'm not the one to OMGUS fwiw, I'm very careful about it and this is never my main solving point, how people approach me, as you can see I'm not even defending myself this game if someone has a problem, unless they have a direct question :P In York's case, you could put anyone's name there instead of mine in her posts and my case would be the same I believe.

But thank you for your comments I'll think about them.

Now, if you want to present the argument that scum-York is town-reading the people thinking about lynching her to prevent us from using her posts for town-spew analysis after she's revealed, then yes I can understand that maybe that's a reason for scum-York town-reading Cal and Michelle. But just the fact that she's town-reading the people who suspect her is not AI from my point of view.

With that I meant about it it's more of approach to have minimum amount of enemies in the thread, from scum perspective it's very beneficial. Someone wants to lynch you, so you pat their backs, they reconsider. My friend calls it sterile play.

 

[Flower]

Also work takes longer today. Probably only gonna come back shortly before EoD.

 

[ThatAverageGuy]

??? Because it was just a few reads and I expected more from him.

Fair enough. That post was Orca-post adjacent when I was looking through his ISO, and it made me curious.

 

[Jan]

Are those people in this game? I'd be very interested in hearing why they haven't brought this up for now. If you tell me their names, I'll ping them to clarify.

I don't know if that is mostly a silly troll read or actually a read that has been applied in the past.
(I know it got mentioned last game)

But because Charlie is very aware of this, it barely matters because it is the easiest read to overcome.
(he is keeping track of votes anyway; the difference is posting them in thread for free towncred)

 

[gingerbread]

This makes no sense - why would I assume Rej is to save Cryo when they can both be scum, and why would that be a defence of Rej even if he was created as a wagon to save him? And given that the ones pushing the Rej wagon are Luka (who I think is town) and me (who I know is town), why on Earth would I fear that he's being pushed by scum to save Cryo in the first place? Hello?

Seeing things in light "could both be scum" is either naive or highly optimistic. I don't think that now, town, with all the scumteam alive, has enough push to wagon two scums.

And it's not only you and Luka on that Rej wagon.

What I meant is that I think you've dropped Cryo too easily and I wanted to ask you about an update on your Cryo read.

 

[Flower]

Gonna stay on Rej. Doesn’t really feel like he’s fighting much. Usually when he’s Town he‘d flip out, he‘d take more offense to getting voted.

 

[gingerbread]

vote lynch Rej

 

[ThatAverageGuy]

With that I meant about it it's more of approach to have minimum amount of enemies in the thread, from scum perspective it's very beneficial. Someone wants to lynch you, so you pat their backs, they reconsider. My friend calls it sterile play.

I can understand this angle, and having a minimum amount of enemies in the thread is definitely beneficial to scum. However, I'd think that a player pushing that sort of play would do a little more to make themselves actually appear town.

By the way, those unpairing reads I provided earlier...

They're unpairing in the sense that those players probably aren't on the same scum team. Some people have said we might have an Indie, so there is still the potential that if I've listed 2 players as unpaired, they could still both be scum.

(I'm going to assume this isn't true multiball inthe sense of 2 separate scum teams of multiple players, and more like 1 scum team and 1 indie)

I just thought of that, and perhaps my unpairing reads aren't necessarily as unpairing as they could be in the event of a hostile Indie party.

 

[gingerbread]

Some people have said we might have an Indie

There's a high chance for that, actually I'd be surprised if there wasn't one. Every Fuji game I played had one. Indies don't always have n1 kills, they could have hit protections, or have some conditions, hence only one corpse after d1 isn't indicative.

 

[ThatAverageGuy]

I don't know if that is mostly a silly troll read or actually a read that has been applied in the past.
(I know it got mentioned last game)

But because Charlie is very aware of this, it barely matters because it is the easiest read to overcome.
(he is keeping track of votes anyway; the difference is posting them in thread for free towncred)

Thanks for clarifying that. I would've hated to push Charlie on the premise of him not-voting is a scum-tell according to "some people", if it isn't actually a scum tell.

Meta can be so difficult to play with sometimes.

 

[Ratchet]

Seeing things in light "could both be scum" is either naive or highly optimistic. I don't think that now, town, with all the scumteam alive, has enough push to wagon two scums.

And it's not only you and Luka on that Rej wagon.

What I meant is that I think you've dropped Cryo too easily and I wanted to ask you about an update on your Cryo read.

Your first statement has no logical merit - it's based purely out of pessimism. Give me a logical reason as to why they can't both be scum and I'll listen. And yes I know we're not the only ones and I'm not saying I actively think the whole wagon is nothing but townies, but your argument was that he was being pushed to save Cryo and I have no reason to believe that's the case. I know Rej very well, better than anyone else here given that I talk to him every day, and this is as mailed in as it gets with him.

I think the claim that I dropped Cryo too easily is asinine. My read hasn't changed but I've never claimed to be so sure that I'm willing to bulldoze it through - where was this energy when I moved to Shuijin off of Cryo? I would understand your contention more if I hadn't already demonstrated that I'm willing to move around and compromise on a direction I agree with. So why is it only an issue for you when I've done it with Rej?

 

[Jan]

I apologise if you feel I haven't been paying you attention recently. There are twenty-something other players in this game that I feel I need to try to get a handle on, however, so you'll just have to find a way to cope with those feelings of abandonment I'm afraid.

I haven't taken thread temperature on Ratchet, so I wasn't aware I shouldn't "still keep" that read. If it makes you feel any better, when I skimmed his contributions last night after he hopped in to give us an R-word reminder, I didn't see anything that gave me pause to doubt my earlier read on him.

I don't mind not paying attention, considering you have not pushed me outside of the odd comment.
(If you had, I would have summoned the wrath of god)
Just surprised you, as someone who seems to be all about extra work, doesn't keep their scumreads up to date, especially since you like unalignment reads.

Ratchet could go either way right now. I have no reason to scumread him. In the last game, I felt like I had no reason to townread him instead.

 

[Flower]

Oh nvm we have night chat. I‘m gonna focus on finishing work now.

 

[Jan]

Thanks for clarifying that. I would've hated to push Charlie on the premise of him not-voting is a scum-tell according to "some people", if it isn't actually a scum tell.

Meta can be so difficult to play with sometimes.

It is not not voting.

It is not posting votecounts at times when the host's intervals are not enough to keep track.

 

[gingerbread]

where was this energy when I moved to Shuijin off of Cryo? I would understand your contention more if I hadn't already demonstrated that I'm willing to move around and compromise on a direction I agree with. So why is it only an issue for you when I've done it with Rej?

1. It has a logical merit, when you look at the game from birds eye view. There's possibly 7 scum people alive, even if they're rather passive, that's plenty of votes and some possibly have threadpull. Hard to imagine by sheer probability that this state would allows us to wagon 2 scums.

2. The difference is you were highly committed to that Cryo read from what I saw. You made an impression that he keeps digging his hole with every post he makes, and his every response to you you summed up in between "that doesn't look good". And I don't think he showed anything substantial in the thread since then for you to change your mind.

 

[ThatAverageGuy]

Just surprised you, as someone who seems to be all about extra work, doesn't keep their scumreads up to date, especially since you like unalignment reads.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. What does me town-reading Ratchet have to do with my keeping my scumreads up to date? My town-read on Ratchet has nothing to do with my scumreads, which are as up to date as I can get them given that this is a considerable sized game and I have a lot of players left to sort.

Can you elaborate or rephrase so that I can better understand you?