TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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Thats 1.5 or whatever you attribute to holy roppo and co
Pretty well for a undfeated opponent


Kuzan going fist for fist for garp was for sure a bag



Bruises from another admiral

You lost
admirals won
again
admiral piece till EoS buddy
:finally: @Elder Lee Hung
1. Xebec
2. Kizaru spent more time in his back then hurting Luffy
3. Kuzan got a new fighting style that still makes him look impotent, got blitzed by a nerfed Old Garp
4. Fujitora will never do anything remotely impressive
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
I mean, he uses the rank of admiral as a hype tool in a flash back.

Doesn’t give Kizaru more than 1.5 chapters of decent fighting

Kuzan is getting teabagged by Old Garp and needs an island to help him subdue old Garp

Aramaki looked cool before Shanks was able to subdue him on the periphery of an island

Fujitora shows up with new bruises every time we see him, like some abused spouse.

Sakazuki is the only one who’ll get half treated well
Fuji has a saijo. Thats automatically the best portrayal.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Just like the gorosei with the saijo has the best victim in someones headi bet, while the manga showing otherwise
you are just reverse tac
:NicoPlankin:
King of the pirates.
Worlds strongest man
Worlds strongest swordsman
And a gorosei

All top of the verse haki users

Where people like shikii and oden werent given as such.

Fuji has the best portrayal as it stands.
 
King of the pirates.
Worlds strongest man
Worlds strongest swordsman
And a gorosei

All top of the verse haki users

Where people like shikii and oden werent given as such.

Fuji has the best portrayal as it stands.
The gorosei being a respected status in the manga or in the fandom is cap nor is the gorosei with the saijo remotly the best potrayed in the manga too
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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Still more important than any other bleach villains.

Just like Warlords and admirals are more important than any other OP villain groups
You’re going to see the remnants of the Beast Pirates being more relevant than those Espada, bar maybe Grimmjow (depending what Cour 4 has him do)

we already know Queen and King will be around due to Neo Mads and Lunarian connections

we know Yamato will be around so we have Page1 and Ulti to take up Nel and Harribel’s useless roles
 
2. Kizaru spent more time in his back then hurting Luffy
Becuase of this more than emphasized moral dilemma.

And still saved Luffy.

3. Kuzan got a new fighting style that still makes him look impotent, got blitzed by a nerfed Old Garp
Kaido was blitzed by base Luffy lol.

But even this small L, if you want to call that as such, was addressed explicitly by Oda saying Kuzan was weavering. Expliclty.

4. Fujitora will never do anything remotely impressive
That's just hating.

Plot wise, the did a ton.
 
You’re going to see the remnants of the Beast Pirates being more relevant than those Espada, bar maybe Grimmjow (depending what Cour 4 has him do)

we already know Queen and King will be around due to Neo Mads and Lunarian connections

we know Yamato will be around so we have Page1 and Ulti to take up Nel and Harribel’s useless roles
And yet the final fight involved Ichigo fighting alongside Aizen who was the leader of the Arrancars

Unless you expect Luffy and Kaido vs Imu the comparison is ass
 

Devilbat

Just chill and let chill
And they’d have been as iconic in a more competent authors hands.

Espada weren’t the main villains either, they are more comparable to the Beast Pirates All Stars + Tobi Rōppo
Damn Espada were so good. And they were kinda mid-story villains. Also Akatsuki were good. Such iconic villain groups.
Sometimes less is more, Oda has waaaaay to many characters and a lot of them end up being fillers.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
The gorosei being a respected status in the manga or in the fandom is cap nor is the gorosei with the saijo remotly the best potrayed in the manga too
The fandom is retarded.

Doesnt change the fact that the strongest weapons need the strongest haki.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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Becuase of this more than emphasized moral dilemma.

And still saved Luffy.
Saving Luffy is the only decent thing he did and that doesn’t help him as an antagonist. In the role of antagonist, he was sidelined for Saturn and treated as a lackey.


Kaido was blitzed by base Luffy lol.

But even this small L, if you want to call that as such, was addressed explicitly by Oda saying Kuzan was weavering. Expliclty
Kaido has more than enough feats to show he keeps up with a faster Luffy, Kuzan was humiliated in his first real outing and at best can match an already weakening Garp

It doesn’t make him Prime Garp come again,it just makes him less useless since hax doesn’t work on most top tiers
That's just hating.

Plot wise, the did a ton
Plot wise sure, when it comes to being an antagonist or strong character? Not much
 
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