Everything seems to point to Shanks and Loki coming to blows over Shanks not wanting Loki to attack the Holy Land too soon. No offense but I think a lot of you are just letting your preconceptions about how strong Shanks can be distort your reasoning. Shanks is already getting wanked as the Child of Destiny who has Haki comparable to Joyboy. It is kinda weird how hard Oda powercliffed PK level fighters but it is what it is.

I get that a lot of other stuff we heard about Loki was a lie, but to be frank, it was pretty obvious since the start of the arc what the narrative purpose of those lies were (Oda wanting to “surprise” the readers by having Loki actually be a good guy, and have a twist with Harald). There really is no clear narrative purpose for everyone to be lying about Shanks beating Loki fairly. There really is no good reason for them to not just credit the entire RHPs if it was a group effort, and I think it’s pretty delusional to think that a character like Shanks would resort to poisoning him or anything like that
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Monet's heart was stabbed, and Vergo while not explicitly confirmed was still cut up into several pieces by Law with no one to help him get out before the explosion/poison gas got to him.
Those two are basically confirmed as dead. Kidd isn't. All he did was fall into the ocean, which both Big Mom and Luffy were saved from.

For one, Harald straight up tells everyone in the castle that Loki NEEDS to eat the fruit as he's the only person who can defeat him when he loses his mind and goes berserk on them. He tells them that Loki with the fruit is decisively above himself.
Two, Oda had him snap out of it before Loki killed him because he wanted to give them one last moment together before Harald was gone forever. It wouldn't have hit as hard if Loki never talked to him about Ida's death and about how they loved eachother before being forced to put him down.
That’s just your take on what happened. Harald didn’t know how powerful Loki would be with the fruit, and was desperate to be killed so he needed Loki to do everything he could to be able to. It’s not like Harald knew he’d be able to get his mind back.

Will you admit Harald would’ve won if Shanks beat Loki fairly?
 
It’s not like Harald knew he’d be able to get his mind back.
Yes.... And yet he still thought Loki would have won...
How are you not getting that?
Will you admit Harald would’ve won if Shanks beat Loki fairly?
That wouldn't happen as it'd be inconsistent for the scaling. Harald is far above Shanks, Loki reasonably shouldn't lose to someone considerably below the man he defeated
 
Sure, but I’m not saying it’s literally impossible for Kid to still be alive. I’m just saying that I think it’s more likely than not that he’s actually just dead. I mean would you genuinely argue that Vergo and Monet have a realistic chance of randomly showing up again just because their deaths weren’t explicitly confirmed?
Caesar stabbed Monets heart, her death was confirmed along with Vergos by Doflamingo when he was talking to Smoker on Punk Hazard. Also Kidd being awakened, a confirmed conq and last being seen on the shore of elbaf kinda makes you think that he'd be a pretty helpful ally when the enemies weakness is conq haki.
 
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