Anime & Manga One Piece Spoilers - The Waiting Room

[Mr. Reloaded]

Spiritual leader: @SakazOuki
Assistant: @TheAncientCenturion

President: @Elder Lee Hung
Vice president: newly appointed @Sentinel (formerly the deceased PissHQ)

Head of intelligence: @Kurozumi Wiwi
This is peak actually should do the entire squad

What about me chief?

 

[Shiroyru]

My only complaint is how Oda is going too far to make him the morally righteous admiral instead of grey. What was your issue with him?

Back in Dressrosa, Fujitora had to be subtle about working against the WG’s best interests and had to use plausible deniability to excuse not helping Doffy and not capturing Luffy.

In the Reverie, Fujitora is just freeing slaves in broad daylight in the middle of the Holy Land. One of the worst examples of Oda disrespecting the intelligence of his audience tbh. @Fujishiro

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

God valley should not even be counted since even rox didnt believe whitebeard could help put him down. Rox put his faith in GARP and RODGER putting him down. Not whitebeard.

Whitebeard and bigmom literally failed to do anything to garp (Rodgers equal)

 

[Shiroyru]

This is just shitty writing. It's weird to have Mihawk be built up so much and basically be synonymous with Zoro's goal just for Oda to pull the rug and say "Sike! This random character is actually STRONGER than Mihawk!! Now Zoro has to fight HIM instead!!".
It doesn't make sense.

“I will become a swordsman so great my name reaches the heavens!”

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

My only complaint is how Oda is going too far to make him the morally righteous admiral instead of grey. What was your issue with him?

To be fair it seems like Kuzan already fills that morally grey role. Could say the same for Kizaru, although Kizaru is just a plain piece of shit imo

 

[SakazOuki]

What about your boi Kinyagi?

One of our spies who was caught by Erkan, fell victim to MKUltra and turned on marine fans

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

“I will become a swordsman so great my name reaches the heavens!”

he'll do a solo sky split when he defeats mihawk

 

[SakazOuki]

What about me chief?

Animal control chief officer 🫡

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

To be fair it seems like Kuzan already fills that morally grey role. Could say the same for Kizaru, although Kizaru is just a plain piece of shit imo

Egghead going forward I can see that, most of the series he's just the admiral clocking in and out though. Devoid of any personal input or philosophy.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Animal control chief officer 🫡

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Back in Dressrosa, Fujitora had to be subtle about working against the WG’s best interests and had to use plausible deniability to excuse not helping Doffy and not capturing Luffy.

In the Reverie, Fujitora is just freeing slaves in broad daylight in the middle of the Holy Land. One of the worst examples of Oda disrespecting the intelligence of his audience tbh. @Fujishiro

Meh I understand the complaint but Oda's been dumbing down the story a lot since Dressrosa. I can't hold it against the characters too much.

 

[Shiroyru]

he'll do a solo sky split when he defeats mihawk

He obviously won’t

 

[Zoinks52]

Egghead going forward I can see that, most of the series he's just the admiral clocking in and out though. Devoid of any personal input or philosophy.

Yeah he's the salaryman Admiral while Kuzan was the good but indecisive/lazy one. Not a bad guy at all but one who turns a blind eye.

After all his theme is the Three Monkeys: Do no evil, see no evil, hear no evil. And for Kizaru that means trying to focus away from the bad side of the WG and just doing his job.

His turning point is EH, just like Kuzan's was Ohara. I expect Sakazuki will have his turning point arc next.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

He obviously won’t

I don't see why not. It fits the "My name will reach the heavens!!" thing and it'd be a great way to show how significant his feat is. Plus it'd help him keep up with the EoS scaling if my idea of him forging all 3 swords into black blades, while breaking Yoru in half, and splitting the sky all at once happens.

 

[Shiroyru]

Meh I understand the complaint but Oda's been dumbing down the story a lot since Dressrosa. I can't hold it against the characters too much.

Fuji should’ve been like Lelouch’s best friend/rival in Code Geass. Morally good guy who knows the government he works for sucks, but would rather fix it from within rather than let the world fall to lawlessness and chaos.

 

[SakazOuki]

Yeah he's the salaryman Admiral while Kuzan was the good but indecisive/lazy one. Not a bad guy at all but one who turns a blind eye.

After all his theme is the Three Monkeys: Do no evil, see no evil, hear no evil. And for Kizaru that means trying to focus away from the bad side of the WG and just doing his job.

His turning point is EH, just like Kuzan's was Ohara. I expect Sakazuki will have his turning point arc next.

Turning point is not an easy term to throw for a 60 year old admiral, he felt bad sure but he still carried out the most difficult of tasks. Even for Kuzan, while he lost the “fiery justice”, he was still ready to murder Garp’s grandson at one point, among the other countless unknown admiral duties carried out throughout the years. So for Kizaru I doubt this changes much about him, it simply highlights his personality and how he shifts characters between Borsalino and Kizaru

 

[Zoinks52]

Turning point is not an easy term to throw for a 60 year old admiral, he felt bad sure but he still carried out the most difficult of tasks. Even for Kuzan, while he lost the “fiery justice”, he was still ready to murder Garp’s grandson at one point, among the other countless unknown admiral duties carried out throughout the years. So for Kizaru I doubt this changes much about him, it simply highlights his personality and how he shifts characters between Borsalino and Kizaru

You don't think this will result in any change/character development for him?

I guess turning point is iffy but I doubt he will stay the same personally.....I think something is up, Oda clearly has the OG trio showing doubt throughout EH, and it seems logical that he might do the C3 pattern by giving each Admiral a breaking point.

You also have to recall that Kizaru only slayed VP after Saturn severely wounded him. He also gave up the instant he had an excuse which probably saved Bonney and Sento + left Sento alone to escape in 1124.

Kuzan also was pretty lenient towards Luffy mostly. Hell Garp himself only wavered at the very end when Luffy was charging at him. So I don't Kuzan did more than follow his example.

 

[Shiroyru]

Fuji and Ryo are the worst Admirals because they’re not morally grey at all. Fuji is a boy scout now, and Ryo is a Saturday morning cartoon villain

 

[ZenZu]

You don't think this will result in any change/character development for him?

I guess turning point is iffy but I doubt he will stay the same personally.....I think something is up, Oda clearly has the OG trio showing doubt throughout EH, and it seems logical that he might do the C3 pattern by giving each Admiral a breaking point.

You also have to recall that Kizaru only slayed VP after Saturn severely wounded him. He also gave up the instant he had an excuse which probably saved Bonney and Sento + left Sento alone to escape in 1124.

Kuzan also was pretty lenient towards Luffy mostly. Hell Garp himself only wavered at the very end when Luffy was charging at him. So I don't Kuzan did more than follow his example.

Kuzan did murder his bestfriend who was against a genocide though.

Oda recently retconned the death but Kuzan had no idea he survived nor was that his intention.

 

[Zoinks52]

Kuzan did murder his bestfriend who was against a genocide though.

Oda recently retconned the death but Kuzan had no idea he survived nor was that his intention.

Forgot about that

What's Kuzan's deal actually? He seems like a really indecisive one. Outside of hating Akainu and liking Garp I can't really get a grasp on his idealogy.

Like Kizaru is more straightforward, he's a salaryman who likes his little bro and hates pirates, Kuzan is like...respects Garp, thinks Akainu is bad for killing scholars but tried to take out Saul himself?