Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1187 Spoilers Discussion

[soupongo]

If only grouping meant equal.
You tell me how and why Sanji and Zoro are even equal?

Do you see Egghead Sanji to do anything to Kaidou realistically? Which was used beat a YC2? Meamwhile Zoro CoA was enough to deal damage.
There are levels to it.
Looking at feats and still relying on portrayal is delusion.

Crux, I don't deny that Zoro>Sanji. The problem is that Zoro fans generally want Zoro to be grouped with Luffy instead, which is clearly not Oda's intention anymore(you can argue about pre TS). You're literally reading an arc where you have an entire country worshipping a prophecy Luffy is related too, where the King of the world is taking him seriously as a threat and fighting him to an extent that even Rocks didn't. Look at something like even the mural, which is all about hyping up how important Luffy will be in the rest of the saga, while Zoro and Sanji obviously have no real role in anything like that.

Just look at Jinbei for why grouping is important. When Oda grouped Jinbei with the likes of Croco, Doffy, Ace, Hancock etc, he was one of the more respected characters. Now that Jinbei is basically grouped with the mid trio, he's a neg diff for Gunko, and completely irrelevant.

 

[Redboy776]

ACoC is not a thing in the manga. It's a made up fan term. There is just CoC.

CoC has 2 canon applications so far and 1 non-canon:

- Fodder Control
- Coating
- Observation Killing (non-canon so far)

Yamato and Sanji clearly don't have ACoA, which is what Luffy called "advanced".

Luffy, Zoro, Sanji all needed 0 training for "ACoC". For Luffy it was just the realization that he could do it.

Yeah its coc but instead of advCoC its better to call it coc coating this is the right term in the manga.

 

[Cruxroux]

ACoC is not a thing in the manga. It's a made up fan term. There is just CoC.

Neither is AdCoO.
It's just a way of saying Advanced form of it.

CoC has 2 canon applications so far and 1 non-canon:

- Fodder Control
- Coating
- Observation Killing (non-canon so far)

*3
Fodder control is base form CoC.
Coating and Xebec defensive conqueror is two other.

Yamato and Sanji clearly don't have ACoA, which is what Luffy called "advanced".

Yamato has AdCoA.

Luffy, Zoro, Sanji all needed 0 training for "ACoC". For Luffy it was just the realization that he could do it.

Sorry what?
Luffy and Zoro both trained in AdCoA for the control and flow of Haki. Which they were doing to CoA, they did it with CoC.

 

[kekaro]

Cant even laugh the zoroaches on twitter bruh they actually vanished there too

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 Actual mass exit

Elbaf has them whipped

 

[Cruxroux]

Crux, I don't deny that Zoro>Sanji. The problem is that Zoro fans generally want Zoro to be grouped with Luffy instead, which is clearly not Oda's intention anymore(you can argue about pre TS). You're literally reading an arc where you have an entire country worshipping a prophecy Luffy is related too, where the King of the world is taking him seriously as a threat and fighting him to an extent that even Rocks didn't. Look at something like even the mural, which is all about hyping up how important Luffy will be in the rest of the saga, while Zoro and Sanji obviously have no real role in anything like that.

Just look at Jinbei for why grouping is important. When Oda grouped Jinbei with the likes of Croco, Doffy, Ace, Hancock etc, he was one of the more respected characters. Now that Jinbei is basically grouped with the mid trio, he's a neg diff for Gunko, and completely irrelevant.

Oh I have agreed to that long ago once Nika is jesus theory came into play.
But current Luffy is not out of reach regardless of how far EoS luffy will be.
Zoro is just a human compared to a God awakening and Modified germa experiment.

 

[Raiden7]

 

[sanjikun]

Yeah its coc but instead of advCoC its better to call it coc coating this is the right term in the manga.

Luffy used the term "advanced" for the CoA Rayleigh was using, who clearly had internal destruction CoA.

Never has the term "advanced" been used for CoC so far.

 

[Cruxroux]

You dont need to back anything, even id we put conqueror aside which is already almost confirmed unless oda dont want Blackbeard pirates to surpass rock pirates, Shiryu still has the 2 df powers enough to be at the absolute peak.

Luffy and Zoro opponents mostly mirror one feature at the very least.
King and Kaidou had defense/Durablity/Endurance factor on his side.
Black beard has two DF, I'm expecting shiryu to have a DF in his weapon.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Woki SBS when?

 

[soupongo]

.
But current Luffy is not out of reach regardless of how far EoS luffy will be.

Idk bro, the series is *roughly* coming to a close. The likelihood that Sanji will ever be strong enough to fight Imu to even mid diff seems a bit much

 

[Cruxroux]

Luffy used the term "advanced" for the CoA Rayleigh was using, who clearly had internal destruction CoA.

Never has the term "advanced" been used for CoC so far.

So why isn't every Conqueror user spamming Conqueror coating? Doffy and Katakuri should have figured it out.

 

[sanjikun]

Neither is AdCoO.
It's just a way of saying Advanced form of it.



*3
Fodder control is base form CoC.
Coating and Xebec defensive conqueror is two other.



Yamato has AdCoA.


Sorry what?
Luffy and Zoro both trained in AdCoA for the control and flow of Haki. Which they were doing to CoA, they did it with CoC.

You're confusing basic Ryo which even Kiku has, to the collar destroying CoA.

Yamato didn't have collar destroying CoA, but she had CoC coating.

 

[kekaro]

1,5k for being clowns
Bar for bar the same cope as our scholar 😭 😭 Literal internal coping mechanism

Oh im laughing to the bank

 

[sanjikun]

So why isn't every Conqueror user spamming Conqueror coating? Doffy and Katakuri should have figured it out.

For the same reason Ace and Crocodile didn't use CoA in Alabasta. Oda hadn't introduced it.

 

[Raiden7]

1,5k forbeing clowns
Bar for bar the same cope as our scholar 😭 😭 Literal internal coping mechanism

Oh im laughing to the bank

Generational trauma.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

the good old haki debates

we are so back (not really)

 

[kekaro]

Oda saw that pure retardation with candle being Mihawk's mother and imu his father shit and said
"ok im gonna end pinzoros lineage a third time!"
Cant explain it otherwise

the good old haki debates

we are so back (not really)

See above the lobotomy never left, it was just in another form present

 

[Cruxroux]

You're confusing basic Ryo which even Kiku has, to the collar destroying CoA.

What does Kiku having Ryou has to do with what I said?

Yamato didn't have collar destroying CoA, but she had CoC coating.

Yamato had Ryou, Flow.
Internal destruction is other technique.

Spoiler

That's Ryou right there.

 

[sanjikun]

Neither is AdCoO.
It's just a way of saying Advanced form of it.



*3
Fodder control is base form CoC.
Coating and Xebec defensive conqueror is two other.



Yamato has AdCoA.


Sorry what?
Luffy and Zoro both trained in AdCoA for the control and flow of Haki. Which they were doing to CoA, they did it with CoC.

Yamato does not have ACoA, otherwise she would have broken her own collars.

Collar destroying CoA = advanced

Luffy wanted to learn this to destroy Kaido's scales from within

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Bruh remember for years how condescending Zoro fans was and they act like Sanji is some inferior being that don't deserve COC