Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1187 Spoilers Discussion

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While I am loving this meltdown, I kinda wish Oda left some ambiguity. Like just little enough for delusional Zoro fans to hyperfixate on it and spew more delusional arguments so we could all cook them. Oda really left them with nothing. His fans have all ran away and even Crux has given up, he's just blaming Oda now.
 
The interesting thing is that objectively, Zoro is a little bit stronger than Sanji. Yet to Zoro fans, this was not enough. They needed complete domination. Their boy had to match the captain, not the cook. They reasoned only he, as a Supernova, could have CoC alongside Luffy.

Zoro fans fired the first salvo in the 'war' between the two fandoms. 'Broke his leg against Vergo,' 'No CoC,' 'Just a cook', 'Judge's genes,' 'Abandon your dream,' etc. Instead of basking in the knowledge that their chosen one would extreme diff Sanji, they created more and more distorted and delusional narratives, culminating in the disastrous 'ZKK'.

Accept it like we have for a long time, Zoro fans. Luffy is a cut-above for the most part. Our lads are still important, even if they're not the big guy, so to speak. No matter how much you try to manifest Zoro to Luffy's level, Sanji will always scale to match Zoro.

The only thing unfair about it is that Zoro trains all the time, and Sanji does not. However, this is perhaps the difference between hard-work and natural talent. One is a self-made swordsman, the other is genetically modified super-soldier prince. Difference is, unlike Naruto, Zoro's hard-work does come out on top.

People's denial over this reveal is kind of ridiculous. It's not even amusing; it's just sad.

This is a brilliant day for all the Sanji fans who knew that Oda would eventually prove them right, that Sanji scales with Zoro, and that he will be relevant in the end-game. Be humble, Sanji bros.
 
Doesn't prove anything from what you claimed lmao.
They are talking about 3d2Y over here lmao.
Crux. This is genuinely me giving you advice.
enroll in some kind of literary school. preferably one which uses children's comic books to teach.
Cause your reading comprehension and general awareness is downright atrocious



Look at the top left panel and carefully read what mohawk is thinking. sound out each words slowly if they are too hard to read all at once. I believe in you bro. You can do it
 
Maybe they pinged you because of your wild theories to annoy you. Don't fall into their ragebait
No.
He's clearly the one ragebaiting. Just see his previous posts when he was arguing about how IJ is just due to exo + speed whilst ignoring the fact that Sanji wouldn't even maintain the flames if his legs weren't hardened by Haki, thus his exoskeleton.
Then he's doing some made up rules about who deserves ACoC and not, constantly contradicting himself. I asked him the difference between IJ and G4 - still no valid answer to date.
He's criticizing how Sanji is suddenly able to unlock ACoC despite knowing jackshit about CoC and turns a blind eye to Zoro literally doing the same thing in Wano. Oh, his excuse was that Zoro learned Ryuo... yeah, that doesn't work either. Using CoA and CoC are two entirely different things. 15yo Oden managed to use Enma with no issues, yet it's clear he was able to unlock ACoC after seeing Roger and WB's clash. Yet, for some reason, ACoC was a requirement to tame Enma when Zoro was about to lose to King.
Like I said, it's the same shit. Sanji knows to coat his own exoskeleton with Haki. If he learns to use his CoC, there's no reason to assume he cannot coat his exoskeleton with CoC as well.

He's stating some nonsense and when people are jumping on him, he's suddenly surprised why everyone is being "mean" to him. It's always the same cycle.
 
Crux. This is genuinely me giving you advice.
enroll in some kind of literary school. preferably one which uses children's comic books to teach.
Cause your reading comprehension and general awareness is downright atrocious



Look at the top left panel and carefully read what mohawk is thinking. sound out each words slowly if they are too hard to read all at once. I believe in you bro. You can do it
Awww princess still can't understand what I said. The irony of this retard to suggest me literacy lmao.

Zoro ambitions is WSS. Which was due to his promise to Kuina and Luffy both lmao.
He promised both of them the same things lmao.

Even in alabasta he said, They are bunch people with differenr amibition working together lol. It's luffy who needs them, Not even once Zoro has placed his ambition below luffy's lmao.
' what good is my ambition. If I can't even same my captain '
What does that mean Monoretard channn
 
Sasuke vs Zoro debate ending is even more brutal than Zoro vs Sanji debate. As a member of Sasuke FC, we don't even look at Zoro as a rival or anything anymore. We're just filled with pity or indifference. Zoro is an absolute insect of a deuteragonist compared to the greatest #2 of all time. One overshadowed his MC for majority of the story and the other is cheap fodder that doesn't move plot and gets less screen time than Nami and Sanji lmfao.

Back in 2021, on tiktok, this used to be a legitimate debate on who was the better character but since then it's gotten so bad that Sasuke fans just moved on without caring. Zoro wasn't even worth time to run victory laps on, they just moved onto Kurapika because Kurapika actually is a well written plot mover.

This is why I warned Zoro fans from calling him a deuteagonist. Zoro would be okay as a character if he was just a normal side crew member but if Oda wanted him to be the story's #2, then Oda's done the worst job IN FICTION with regards to handling of #2s.

Zoro will never have the cultural influence of Sasuke. Sasuke still wipes him in terms of current influence despite his manga finishing 12 years ago. Brutal ending to a debate. More brutal than Messi vs CR7. Just nukes vs ants.
Blackbeard is closer to Sasuke than every other OP character who's an ally to Luffy...
Even then, Sasuke's role and purpose is so much more complex compared to Luffy's bootlicker. He's the deuteragonist AND antagonist in several arcs and he managed to outclass Naruto in so many occasions. There's legit no comparison. If Zoro's the deuteragonist and the true "Nr. 2" or whatever it means, he's by far the worst deuteragonist I've ever seen.

Damn, I even used to argue for Zoro's position as a deuteragonist 1-2 years ago. This was pretty stupid on my part.
 
Yeah and the only person he met there prior to finding Luffy was Law who was also not at Marineford when Luffy used CoC.

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And how do you know ray already knew about Conqueror when he was talking to law lmao.

On top of that Luffy CoC was already unlocked like Zoro. Them ozing Conqueror is canon fact.

Bro would do anythinf but accept he was wrong lmao.
This is pathetic.
 
Zoro’s Conqueror’s Haki has been confirmed in dozens of panels. We have characters outright acknowledging it, King being one example, and clear visual panels of random fodder collapsing and foaming at the mouth
I agree. Still VC didn't confirm It.
And It was spelled out lol.

As for Garp and Kuzan, Garp literally displayed his Conqueror’s Haki in the same arc where Kuzan fought him for the first time, yet Garp’s was confirmed while Kuzan’s wasn’t
Yeah, probably Oda Is waiting for Akainu or BB to have the confirmation before Kuzan.

Green Bull in Wano: zero lightning, zero Conqueror’s Haki. Instead of displaying his own, he was busy praising other people’s Haki, namely Yamato’s and Shanks’. Not to mention that when he was put in a situation where he couldn’t freely use his Devil Fruit powers against the Revolutionaries, he once again DID NOT use Conqueror’s Haki. Neither he nor Fujitora did.
GB never once even used his sword. We've seen him bascially doing the most basic things.
He'll have his time, as BB and as anybody.
 
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