Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1189 Spoilers Discussion

[Ven437]

Old Gaban ~= Old Ray — portrayal, maybe Ray a bit weaker due to lack of advanced haki feats

Current BB > Old Ray — undeniable canon, spoken by Ray himself

Shanks , Kaido, BM >= BB — you can argue some stronger than others but they all relative, same tier

If next chapter old Gaban can solidly hang against Imu for even 1 min and do some cool tricks. Yonko slander gonna age like milk, and they won't actually get negged against nerfed Imu

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Old Garp > Luffy is basically confirmed at this point

 

[zzShinichi]

So how we feeling after this chapter
Luffy ~ Zoro ~ Sanji
Luffy >= Zoro ~ Sanji
Luffy > Zoro ~ Sanji

Cause until Luffys capable of doing anything on his own he doesn’t deserve to be separated from his wings

Luffy>Zoro>~Sanji
Luffy mid~ diff Zoro
Zoro extreme diff Sanji
Imo.

 

[[No Name]]

Old Gaban ~= Old Ray — portrayal, maybe Ray a bit weaker due to lack of advanced haki feats

Current BB > Old Ray — undeniable canon, spoken by Ray himself

Shanks , Kaido, BM >= BB — you can argue some stronger than others but they all relative, same tier

If next chapter old Gaban can solidly hang against Imu for even 1 min and do some cool tricks. Yonko slander gonna age like milk, and they won't actually get negged against nerfed Imu

If big meme was on shanks level she would have one shotted killer at least.
Remaining yonkos >> fallen yonkos

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Zoro extreme diff Sanji

Have you betrayed The Temple?

 

[zzShinichi]

Have you betrayed The Temple?

At this point this is better than "extreme diff either way"

 

[Quovelta]

And Luffy fought a nerfed Kaido who fought a literal onslaught of people prior, was exhausting himself carrying a city sized island, while Luffy received 2 full restores mid fight and still basically got a draw.

Zoro and Sanjis fights were way more one sided

And Gear 5 Luffy beat Kaido. Gear 5 Luffy had to be nerfed by dying once. No. Sanji's fight was not one sided. Sanji fell unconscious.

 

[soupongo]

Cause until Luffys capable of doing anything on his own he doesn’t deserve to be separated from his wings

We all know it's going to happen, pretending otherwise it's larp.

Current Sommers being able to fight Luffy is good for my agenda though, so I'm alright with that

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Luffy>Zoro>~Sanji
Luffy mid~ diff Zoro
Zoro extreme diff Sanji
Imo.

I would say Luffy high diffs Zoro or Sanji
Zoro extreme diffs Sanji

 

[Quovelta]

But luffy also didn't negdiff his opponent after getting his PU like Zoro and Sanji did. Quite the contrary, he was heavily outperformed by Zoro at the RT. That was basically FMI Zoro mind you.

Current Zoro cannot defeat Doflamingo. Base Luffy far outperformed Zoro against Imu. Base Luffy is much faster than KOH Zoro.

 

[Quovelta]

So how we feeling after this chapter
Luffy ~ Zoro ~ Sanji
Luffy >= Zoro ~ Sanji
Luffy > Zoro ~ Sanji

Cause until Luffys capable of doing anything on his own he doesn’t deserve to be separated from his wings

Or maybe Luffy's opponents are much stronger than Sanji/Zoro opponents?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

And Gear 5 Luffy beat Kaido. Gear 5 Luffy had to be nerfed by dying once. No. Sanji's fight was not one sided. Sanji fell unconscious.

G5 Luffy wasn’t nerfed lmao he literally felt so good he forgot he died
And Sanji passed out cause he’s been fighting non stop all night at this point without a single break unlike luffy

 

[Sir Yasheen]

We all know it's going to happen, pretending otherwise it's larp.

Current Sommers being able to fight Luffy is good for my agenda though, so I'm alright with that

People have been saying Luffy will powercliff the other two since Ennies Lobby… it still isn’t happening

 

[sanjikun]

People have been saying Luffy will powercliff the other two since Ennies Lobby… it still isn’t happening

Luffy fights Kaido
Zoro fights King
Sanji fights Queen

Yeah it def isn't happening

 

[Quovelta]

G5 Luffy wasn’t nerfed lmao he literally felt so good he forgot he died
And Sanji passed out cause he’s been fighting non stop all night at this point without a single break unlike luffy

Luffy dying actually consumed Gear 5 much more energy lmao. No. Sanji fell unconscious because he used overspeed to the point he collapsed. It's never stated Sanji collapsed because he had been fighting non stop lol. Sanji had to be going all out against Queen who was a neg diff against no haki Big Mom.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Or maybe Luffy's opponents are much stronger than Sanji/Zoro opponents?

Stronger opponents who get nerfed violently and fight through literal onslaughts of others to let Luffy last hit them…

 

[soupongo]

@TheAncientCenturion @Shiroyru
If the Nardo live action keeps the line about Hiruzen being the strongest Hokage, is it officially unretconed?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Luffy fights Kaido
Zoro fights King
Sanji fights Queen

Yeah it def isn't happening

Luffy and 15 others fight Kaido you mean

 

[Quovelta]

Stronger opponents who get nerfed violently and fight through literal onslaughts of others to let Luffy last hit them…

Nerfed Luffy's opponents are still much stronger than Sanji/Zoro's opponents.

 

[Fujishiro]

So how we feeling after this chapter
Luffy ~ Zoro ~ Sanji
Luffy >= Zoro ~ Sanji
Luffy > Zoro ~ Sanji

Cause until Luffys capable of doing anything on his own he doesn’t deserve to be separated from his wings

Lmao his wings got diffed by weaker attacks. It’s like saying Kaido isn’t stronger then King or Queen because Imu diffs them all the same.