Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Bro, your behaviour would get you killed in a society that lacked free speech and had a truly tyrannical government. The fact you can freely speak about revolution, overthrowing the current order, and make counter-culture statements is evidence of this.

People often think that free speech can only be analyzed through comparizon ("in X country, you would get killed for what you are saying", "you don't understand your luck" ...)

Problem : this kind of mindset reduces a parameter of freedom to a simple measure of comparison and prevents us to analyze it through objective ethical lenses.

In many country I would indeed not be able to say what I'm saying. But what you might not know, is that I'm constantly censoring myself. There are things that are dangerous to say in France now. Not because they are unethical, but rather because they could be used against you by the system that is far from ethical. So yes, I have more freedom than others, this doesn't mean that I am free.

 

[Okamakama]

Autocrats have killed for far less.

 

[Okamakama]

But what you might not know, is that I'm constantly censoring myself. There are things that are dangerous to say in France now.

I dread to even imagine what this is. In my country you can be arrested for saying anything offensive about minority groups online (but you can freely call white people every name under the sun). We had 12,000 arrests for it in 2023 alone (most in the world for social media arrests).

What is not allowed in your country?

 

[Logiko]

I dread to even imagine what this is. In my country you can be arrested for saying anything offensive about minority groups online (but you can freely call white people every name under the sun). We had 12,000 arrests for it in 2023 alone (most in the world for social media arrests).

What is not allowed in your country?

Dangerous*, not necessarily illegal. It's not about laws, it's about the reach and dangerosity of the power.

For example, anything radical (as in "real") regarding anticapitalism and anticolonialism is touchy. It's a risky business to show real support for any groups of resistance in the world as the accusation of terrorism apology could fall very quickly depending on the state of the capitalist power. Yet, a real anticolonial political mindset also means a complete support for those who fight colonialism and capitalism. And by fighting, I'm not talking about simple activists no more, I'm talking about armed resistance organizations and communists systems.

In 2027 for example, I could either be able to be a little bit more radical (because leftist should be able to loosen the knock a bit) or I will have to shut it completely (because of the arrival of fascists)..

 

[Zenos7]

Or even how your made up percentages of the differences based on what methodology.

lmfao

 

[Zenos7]

You're implying that intolerance is imported and that homophobia and hatred towards transgenders doesn't already exist in the West

thats not even remotely what im saying nor implying. obviously there can be be multiple scources for homophobia and hatred.

but just because we already have this issue doesnt mean we should import more of the same issue because its already there anyway

 

[Zenos7]

Cultures which enshrine free speech as a right would be incompatible with cultures that believe in blasphemy laws for one.

or shit like the death sentence for apostates.

 

[Zenos7]

thought the exact same thing lol

 

[NAMELESS]

Is it me or some posts got deleted?

 

[Okamakama]

thought the exact same thing lol

Just proves the arguments are either overly emotional or not in good faith.

Even the statistics I provided were called cherry-picking. It is well known that non-white ethnic groups tend to display wider disagreement with homosexuality and transgenderism. There are many such studies. Just because intolerance is committed by natives does not mean it also isn't coming in from abroad. Just because it exists already does not mean it's suddenly okay to import more.

It's like saying it's okay to flood the kitchen because there is already water on the floor.

 

[NAMELESS]

A post for those that have an open enough mind to consider different perspectives @Uncle Van

"I am a socialist.” - Hitler, from his "Zweites Buch" (Second Book) Page 50.

"Some continue to believe that Hitler and National Socialism wasn't REAL (National) Socialism. Some believe that the totalitarian State of the Third Reich had no power at all, and that the market was 'free'. They want to believe that Hitler and his State had NO control over the economy, and that the ideology of National Socialism didn't call for the creation of a 'People's State' after the conquest of Lebensraum. Yes, 80 years after the events in question, many are still pushing a contradictory narrative that directly goes against the colossal amount of evidence pointing towards the opposite conclusion, and then refuse to even consider the possibility that they might be wrong in their interpretation. Well today, we will walk through numerous primary and secondary sources, show the substantial amount of flaws in the denialist argument, and present a solid interpretation of the evidence that makes much more sense than the denialist argument ever has. I am NOT a Fascist, NOT a National Socialist, and NOT a Marxist Socialist. And I am NOT promoting said ideologies. This video is discussing events or concepts that are academic, educational and historical in nature. This video is for informational purposes and was created so we may better understand the past and learn from the mistakes others have made."

 

[Logiko]

Just proves the arguments are either overly emotional or not in good faith.

Even the statistics I provided were called cherry-picking. It is well known that non-white ethnic groups tend to display wider disagreement with homosexuality and transgenderism. There are many such studies. Just because intolerance is committed by natives does not mean it also isn't coming in from abroad. Just because it exists already does not mean it's suddenly okay to import more.

It's like saying it's okay to flood the kitchen because there is already water on the floor.

Do you think that transphobia or homophobia are tied to ethnicities?

A post for those that have an open enough mind to consider different perspectives @Uncle Van

Still no, I'm sorry. The first victims of Hitler were precisely socialists and communist (political ennemies). Any legit historian will tell you that Hitler used the term "socialism" as a tool of confusion.

Hitler was a simple manifestation of the way capitalism can use racism as a tool to divide the working class.

 

[NAMELESS]

Any legit historian will tell you that Hitler used the term "socialism" as a tool of confusion.

Are you sure? Because I know a couple of legit historians and intellectuals that claim otherwise. To name a few:
Olavo de Carvalho, Thiago Braga, Rainer Zitelmann, Götz Aly, George Watson, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, Dinesh D'Souza, and Jonah Goldberg.

 

[Okamakama]

Do you think that transphobia or homophobia are tied to ethnicities?

Is that all you took away from my statement?

Allow me direct you to it again, I will highlight the sections for your convenience:

It is well known that non-white ethnic groups tend to display wider disagreement with homosexuality and transgenderism. There are many such studies. Just because intolerance is committed by natives does not mean it also isn't coming in from abroad.

The statistics show certain communities are more homophobic and transphobic. Even within England, the Black and South Asian communities were more against homosexuality and transgenderism than the white population. I did not state a reason for this, I simply showed the statistics.

My argument was that just because we have intolerance at home doesn't mean we should import even more. The groups coming in are predominantly of the group that demonstrates more intolerance towards homosexuals and transgenders in the study.

Is it tied to ethnicity? I don't know. I'd say the statistics certainly suggest there could be issues within the communities that believe such rhetoric, but I do not think bigotry is inherently genetic.

 

[NAMELESS]

Is that all you took away from my statement?

Allow me direct you to it again, I will highlight the sections for your convenience:

It is well known that non-white ethnic groups tend to display wider disagreement with homosexuality and transgenderism. There are many such studies. Just because intolerance is committed by natives does not mean it also isn't coming in from abroad.

The statistics show certain communities are more homophobic and transphobic. Even within England, the Black and South Asian communities were more against homosexuality and transgenderism than the white population. I did not state a reason for this, I simply showed the statistics.

My argument was that just because we have intolerance at home doesn't mean we should import even more. The groups coming in are predominantly of the group that demonstrates more intolerance towards homosexuals and transgenders in the study.

Is it tied to ethnicity? I don't know. I'd say the statistics certainly suggest there could be issues within the communities that believe such rhetoric, but I do not think bigotry is inherently genetic.

This post reminds me of that one meme about Hamas beheading a lgbtq+ Hamas Supporter lmfao

 

[Blax Blah]

Do you think that transphobia or homophobia are tied to ethnicities?



Still no, I'm sorry. The first victims of Hitler were precisely socialists and communist (political ennemies). Any legit historian will tell you that Hitler used the term "socialism" as a tool of confusion.

Hitler was a simple manifestation of the way capitalism can use racism as a tool to divide the working class.

What the heck, Tikhistory


That guy has some stuff

 

[NAMELESS]

Uncle Van has been awfully quiet since TIK HISTORY dropped a video on German National Socialism.

 

[Blax Blah]

Are you sure? Because I know a couple of legit historians and intellectuals that claim otherwise. To name a few:
Olavo de Carvalho, Thiago Braga, Rainer Zitelmann, Götz Aly, George Watson, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, Dinesh D'Souza, and Jonah Goldberg.

I recognise two of those and they are hardcore pro-capitalist

So idk about their bias



They're wrong either way

 

[Blax Blah]

In fact check out this banger



Ludwig von Mises vs Marx rap

 

[NAMELESS]

In fact check out this banger



Ludwig von Mises vs Marx rap

I think you would benefit from watching the video I posted from the 00:32:00 mark till 01:02:36, since you believe in the surplus value nonsense.