My laugh is that you actually believe that the average person wouldn't let innocents be harmed

How sheltered you are , let me guess, Upper Middle Class Neurotypical?
Actually, I don't think they will.

The majority will stop and stare. Many will just run away. This is why I said "I'd hope" rather than "Anyone would".

I guess I was born middle-class but then family circumstances led me to homelessness, then lower-class. From there (around ages 7 and up) I grew up in ghettos. I like to say that I'd jump in at all times, but the reality is - I'm a man with my own biases. There are times I wouldn't, and sometimes times I simply couldn't due to the circumstances. I am not walking into a knife-fight when I am unarmed, that's just suicide.

I am also not getting involved when it is the homeless. Too many times I've seen them start shit and get sparked out. It's just a dumb ass risk, sorry.

There are, however, people who I would jump in to protect at the expense of my life - which extends to all my family.

I also once jumped into a lake in winter to rescue a stupid ass kid I didn't know (fortunately I noticed it early enough). Children are the future, and it is hard for me to ignore them being in danger, even before I was a father-to-be.

As for neurotypical? You kidding? I've been open about my ADHD. It's pretty severe as well.
 
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I mean, prison gay is kind of a thing, I suppose. From studies I read, women's sexualities are often more fluid than male sexuality, with the latter being considered more hard-wired/difficult to change once it has become 'set'.

I'm wondering then - most people's belief on conversion therapy is that it's wrong because you are trying to change something that cannot be changed. Given your view that sexuality is fluid, this should indicate that certain factors can shift sexuality. So what are you views on that? I used to know a gay guy who said that he'd undergo conversion therapy if it was allowed (he was really religious).
We know gender and sexuality are fluid AND social construct. We are still not fully understanding why it is so fixed.. but even then, we know it still can move around (like people suddenly discovering that they are gay much later or people who can go from one to the other gender quickly). The biology and sociology of all of that still has room to grow.

The only thing for certain is that we need to help people who risk to suffer because of gender disphoria or people will marginalized
I think the issue is only going to grow over time.
If transphobia in society grow, people who will detransition will also grow, it is usually a direct result of that domination.

People often underestimate the level to which a society can impact them.


No. I know Logiko will attack me for this - but that is patently false. I know many detrans females to males who have irrevocable vocal chord damage by testosterone. The throat itself is not always wide enough for the changes of male puberty, causing permanent, chronic pain without surgical intervention to those whom this applies (which isn't always successful and never returns the natural voice - note, this is not a standard treatment, and most detrans women cannot get this due to the absurd costs).

Whilst not all FtMs lose their fertility, some do due to the masculinising hormones. There are changes that are more permanent as a result of the masculinisation process, from impacts to their hairline all the way to their facial appearance (though some of it can be feminised). The degree of reversibility runs parallel to the amount of time they were transitioning.

Then you need to consider MtFs. Breasts cannot be removed without surgical intervention. Virility is almost always permanently impacted should they be on estrogen long enough, and especially if they use puberty or testosterone blockers. In terms of reversibility of feminine appearance, quite a bit can be changed with testosterone, but as illustrated before, not all of it.

This all excludes surgical transgender medical care. A man who undergoes a vaginoplasty will never have his penis back. A woman who has a masectomy will never have functional breasts for child-rearing. A woman who has a hysterectomy is not getting her ability to birth children back. Facial feminisation surgery is not really reversible, and neither is vocal feminisation surgery.

It's not as simple as 'all can be reversed'. Anybody who tells you that is misinformed, an zealous activist, or a malicious actor.
Not all effects can be reversed this is why a transition must be accompagnied by a LOT of informations and certitude and within an environment where there is not a risk for a person to feel the need to retransition back.

As I said, people underestimate the impact of the transphobia and heteronormativity of society on people who transition. While they are a minority, they are still here and must be heard. Now, there would be a problem if people started to use these case as a way to prevent people who NEED transitionning to transition themselves. It would be like preventing people to take a vaccine because of the minimal level of risk.

Transition is in majority, an absolute need (in the absolute sense meaning a risk of suicide) it would be less necessary in a society without transphobia, but... we are not living in such society at the moment.
 
If transphobia in society grow, people who will detransition will also grow
If the number of transitions increases, the number of detransitions will. Detransition is not an issue of transphobia. Think Beyond.

Not all effects can be reversed this is why a transition must be accompagnied by a LOT of informations and certitude and within an environment where there is not a risk for a person to feel the need to retransition back.
False. I have it on good authority that the dangers of male hormones damaging female vocal chords is not widely shared during transgender care. I am also aware that consequences of surgeries are minimised, such as the information provided in meetings for vaginoplasties. This does not mean all doctors do not share it, but they are certainly not as transparent as you are asserting.

Transition is in majority, an absolute need
Incorrect.
 
If the number of transitions increases, the number of detransitions will. Detransition is not an issue of transphobia. Think Beyond.
Detransition mostly exist because transphobia exist. As I explained, what people rationnalize as "a bad choice" is actually the result of domination system pushing people to see their choice as illegitimate as thus, a self-questionning a a self-illegimitation. It is also why people take so much time to transition as said choice is often prevented by the rest of society. It can also be the result of missinformation and the lack of understanding of the consequences. But all of that is pushed by a transphobic society.


False. I have it on good authority that the dangers of male hormones damaging female vocal chords is not widely shared during transgender care. I am also aware that consequences of surgeries are minimised, such as the information provided in meetings for vaginoplasties. This does not mean all doctors do not share it, but they are certainly not as transparent as you are asserting.
Yes, society is transphobic and often minimize the information given to trans people. That is what I'm saying.

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No, absolutely factual I'm sorry.
 
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...haraa-syria-seeking-security-deal-with-israel

with Lebanon and Syria looking to form peace agreements with Israel it seems that their military strategy paid off @Midnight Delight @Apollo
I mean the only thing that really stopped Bashar from approaching Israel in the 00s was Iran and fear of Sunni Uprising

Sharaa is In the Saudi Camp and therefore he has no pressure to be "resistance" , especially now with Saudi Officials Publicly Praising Israel for killing Hezbollah and Iranian people, he only really has his militias as an issue
 
I had legit stopped caring about the desert war. Can you explain what this means and how Israel's strat paid off?
Israel’s military strategy is basically to bully their enemies into submission. When Jolani took over Israel quickly took some land for “security” and has been bombing Syria in the name of defending the Druze. IS is probably doing all of this knowing how unstable Syria is and basically forced them into a security agreement where both parties recognize each others borders. Syria would want this to protect their national sovereignty and better stabilize the country

the same can be said for Lebanon. The herzbollah war is pushing Lebanon towards a civil war, the Lebanese want stability. An agreement with Israel is their best bet at that

which is why military conflict with Israel is retarded from a Palestinian standpoint. Almost every conflict has lead to Israel getting what they want
 
Yes, society is transphobic and often minimize the information given to trans people. That is what I'm saying.
And said minimisation leads to bad choices which leads to detransition and a life of regret. Not all detransitoners are in this category, but it's one of the causes.

It is not transphobia that causes this. It's doctors who withhold the information because they'd lose customers/patients.

Detransition mostly exist because transphobia exist.
You legitimately are the blind preaching to the person with their third eye open. But you're a zealot. Speak what they will, but I pray that nobody listens to this poison.
 
Israel’s military strategy is basically to bully their enemies into submission. When Jolani took over Israel quickly took some land for “security” and has been bombing Syria in the name of defending the Druze. IS is probably doing all of this knowing how unstable Syria is and basically forced them into a security agreement where both parties recognize each others borders. Syria would want this to protect their national sovereignty and better stabilize the country

the same can be said for Lebanon. The herzbollah war is pushing Lebanon towards a civil war, the Lebanese want stability. An agreement with Israel is their best bet at that

which is why military conflict with Israel is retarded from a Palestinian standpoint. Almost every conflict has lead to Israel getting what they want
Interesting. It seems Israel are doing well. I'll check-in in a few months on that fight to see how it's going. Or just watch the videos Logiko sends of kids getting hurt. I love me some weaponised empathy via propaganda. :seriously:
 
Logiko is the type of person who tells you: "Trust me bro, I did my research," and when a legitimate expert in the field comes in and disproves him he calls them a bigot, wrong, and screeches in the insane hope that people will stop talking.

TG/Detrans is the one topic here where I will state with absolute certainty that Logiko has no clue what he is saying. He is just repeating whatever activist slop he's recently consumed.

I could share my "credentials" on that specific topic, but that would just outright doxx me, and it means jackshit in the grand scheme of things. Lmfao.
 
Interesting. It seems Israel are doing well. I'll check-in in a few months on that fight to see how it's going. Or just watch the videos Logiko sends of kids getting hurt. I love me some weaponised empathy via propaganda. :seriously:
He admitted he didn't care about Dead Sudanese Kids as much because "it's a more complex conflict there" campism that proved he doesn't care about dead kids, he cares about his own self righteousness
which is why military conflict with Israel is retarded from a Palestinian standpoint. Almost every conflict has lead to Israel getting what they want
Only Dahlanstan can save Palestine at this point tbh
 
He admitted he didn't care about Dead Sudanese Kids as much because "it's a more complex conflict there" campism that proved he doesn't care about dead kids, he cares about his own self righteousness

Only Dahlanstan can save Palestine at this point tbh
Israel is going to screw itself over with its push for the West Bank and Gaza. Eventually they’ll be forced to take that land and its people. If I was Palestinian leadership I’d just play the long game
 
Israel is going to screw itself over with its push for the West Bank and Gaza. Eventually they’ll be forced to take that land and its people. If I was Palestinian leadership I’d just play the long game
Or just wipe every single one of the people off the map and spawn camp any that come back (yes I know this is not realistic - but this is how the leftists portray what is happening right now).

Can you define why this will screw them? What will an Israeli full-occupation of the West Bank and Gaza do to them?
 
which is why military conflict with Israel is retarded from a Palestinian standpoint. Almost every conflict has lead to Israel getting what they want
I'm not sure worldwide hatred was the goal of Israel tho

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And said minimisation leads to bad choices which leads to detransition and a life of regret. Not all detransitoners are in this category, but it's one of the causes.

It is not transphobia that causes this. It's doctors who withhold the information because they'd lose customers/patients.
Which is a form of transphobia.

It is documented that the will, consent, needs of people are often completely overlooked in the cases of racialization or trans identity. This is sadly symptomatic of an oppressive system..

You legitimately are the blind preaching to the person with their third eye open. But you're a zealot. Speak what they will, but I pray that nobody listens to this poison.
And I pray that you never have to see the dead, the victims of violences and torture and people who have nothing as a result of gender disphoria or because they are outing themselves to their family.

I love me some weaponised empathy.
You are lucky that I decided to be more respectfull......


Logiko is the type of person who tells you: "Trust me bro, I did my research," and when a legitimate expert in the field comes in and disproves him he calls them a bigot, wrong, and screeches until people stop talking.
Ok so since you keep trying to attack and don't move on, you are forcing me to reply :

From my point of view, you are the survivor of a domination system. That's all it is. What I see is a person who suffered and as a result is surrounding themselve with other person who suffered. While your story is completely legitimate, your vision of transidentity is completely corrupted by a survivorship bias and a confirmation bias.

To me, you are someone who has gathered the testimonies of those who suffered while ignoring the ones of those who didn't (which are the statistic majority). This is why we consider your rethoric as dangerous. Because you are using your own bad experience (that can happen in any medical field), to judge a objectively necessary medical attention in the case of gender disphoria. On top of that, you seem to have the vision of someone who completely negates any kind of sociological and materialist knowledge on the matter of transidentity. Rendering your vision of transidentity absolutely partial.

So I'm sorry, but no, I will not consider you as an expert on the matter.


He admitted he didn't care about Dead Sudanese Kids as much because "it's a more complex conflict there" campism that proved he doesn't care about dead kids, he cares about his own self righteousness
I'm sorry that you feel that way. But I do, in fact I've been sharing informations here on it. We simply have a lot less control on that conflict that we can have on the conflict between Israel and Palestine, that really all their is to it and the reason why I do not bring it up as much.

But if you care about Sudan, you are welcome to help mate ! Conflict are not a competition of "who is talking the most about X or Y" (I believe only people with very little empathy, and those who really don't care, can reason like that). If you need to be supportive of Sudan, I shouldn't be an excuse to say nothing and I don't think you should simply use it as an argument to win over in a debate about politics, right?

So go ahead, share some stuff, It will be my pleasure to give you some credit for it!

"They're not the victim I want to care about. Please focus on what my tribe (leftists) cares about: Palestine."
Strange how I see a lot people talking about how much I care more about Palestine than Sudan and yet, I see very little to no informations about Sudan

So here, have some:


Here is the found you can donate to, to supporting minorities of South Sudan

https://www.gofundme.com/f/stand-with-jordan-transgender-refugees-battle

And here is the link to Doctors without borders, who are directly involved in helping people in Sudan:

https://give.doctorswithoutborders.org/campaign/675296/donate?
 
Or just wipe every single one of the people off the map and spawn camp any that come back (yes I know this is not realistic - but this is how the leftists portray what is happening right now).
The current war crimes are getting them more unpopular, an unprovoked attack on a non aggresive population will certainly put them in a pariah state.
Can you define why this will screw them? What will an Israeli full-occupation of the West Bank and Gaza do to them?
It won't be an occupation like it is now, they'll be forced to take the land in as a state and with that land also the people. They can "get away" with the apartheid conditions right now because gaza and the west bank are not part of the israeli state, if they were to be there's no way the international community would be okay with second class citizens palestinians.
 
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