Salem of Lies Throne Of Lies: The WG War

You didn't deduce anything about me. You are delusional.

I don't even like role madness games and yet I took it seriously. I don't play any games unless I play to win. In fact I am just like the character in my picture in that regard. I play to win or I will not play at all. Mafia is a team game stop acting selfish you actually think that I am more suspicious than you?
ok let's start with the line on top - when you told me earlier that it was because you were irritated last game did you not mean to say that your response last game was more aggressive because of irritation?

i noticed that your initial response to me here was timid. it could be because you were not irritated. i accept this reason. but i need you to also admit that this response was different to how u responded when i asked another player about you in last game. now i am not saying u have to be scum because u responded differently. there are plenty of towny reasons for u to respond differently, one of them is as you said "being irritated". i just need you to tell me if it's more likely for me as town or as wolf to pick up on the difference of your response. you currently have me as your top scum read off of an omgus. please engage with what im saying
Why every game you like to ask people thoughts on Udell? Am I the scummiest player to you? :Rofl:
 

Ali v2

No regret, yet, every regret.
VC3 D1

Ekkolojinx - 7
Yoho - 4
GalaxyLevelShanks - 1
Bittersweet -1
Udell - 1

Hammer is at 10 votes

Worst: Charlie > Ekkolojinx
bittersweet: Yoho > Ekkolojinx
The Orca: Bittersweet > Ekkolojinx > Bittersweet
Udell: York > Ekkolojinx
Saber: Yoho > Ekkolojinx
Naomi: Ekkolojinx > Ratchet > Ratchet >
Ali v2: Yoho > unvote > Ekkolojinx
Lord Melkor: Yoho
GalaxyLevelShanks: Yoho
York: Yoho > Ekkolojinx
Charlie: Ekkolojinx
Polar Bear: GalaxyLevelShanks
Ekkolojinx: Udell​
Wait how come yoho has 4 votes on him when only 2 players are voting yoho?
royal finger?
 
It’s supposed to be this way.
as I said, 12 townies, 2 mafia, 4 indies.
we have 7 votes on ekko, why would that feel too easy given that this is a structured semi open game and town have majority early and most indies are not interested in supporting scum?
do you not think id be playing this differently as wolf if i know i only have 1-2 teammates and 0 thread control day 1
 
It’s supposed to be this way.
as I said, 12 townies, 2 mafia, 4 indies.
we have 7 votes on ekko, why would that feel too easy given that this is a structured semi open game and town have majority early and most indies are not interested in supporting scum?
Yeah just feels too easy. Don't think Ekko would be this easy a get in a smaller game unless he phoned it in or really did slip, which seems kind of unlikely even if true. Seems indy or town is way likelier
 

Fujishiro

Its going to be daijobu.
VC3 D1

Ekkolojinx - 8
Yoho - 2
GalaxyLevelShanks - 1
Bittersweet -1
Udell - 1

Hammer is at 10 votes

Worst: Charlie > Ekkolojinx
bittersweet: Yoho > Ekkolojinx
The Orca: Bittersweet > Ekkolojinx > Bittersweet
Udell: York > Ekkolojinx
Saber: Yoho > Ekkolojinx
Naomi: Ekkolojinx > Ratchet > Ratchet >
Ali v2: Yoho > unvote > Ekkolojinx
Lord Melkor: Yoho
GalaxyLevelShanks: Yoho
York: Yoho > Ekkolojinx
Charlie: Ekkolojinx
Polar Bear: GalaxyLevelShanks
Ekkolojinx: Udell​
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Ali v2

No regret, yet, every regret.
ok let's start with the line on top - when you told me earlier that it was because you were irritated last game did you not mean to say that your response last game was more aggressive because of irritation?

i noticed that your initial response to me here was timid. it could be because you were not irritated. i accept this reason. but i need you to also admit that this response was different to how u responded when i asked another player about you in last game. now i am not saying u have to be scum because u responded differently. there are plenty of towny reasons for u to respond differently, one of them is as you said "being irritated". i just need you to tell me if it's more likely for me as town or as wolf to pick up on the difference of your response. you currently have me as your top scum read off of an omgus. please engage with what im saying
Is it really that hard for you to understand that we basically have 3 scum atm that catching any one of them would be in town’s upmost interest?
I feel like you are trying to convey a game setup that does bot exist, most of the players are townies as of now, that will change as the game progresses further simply because of the conversion mechanic, your refusal to claim is hurting town bad, you are trying to make a discussion out of a game that heavily relies on deductions and mechanics and not threadplay, super role madness is a closed setup, one that benefits those who are good with threadplay and meta and stuff, this version is completely different, you asking people to look at threadplay is the equiv of saying (don’t take the easy way that the game gave you guys, make it harder for yourselves)
 

Ali v2

No regret, yet, every regret.
Yeah just feels too easy. Don't think Ekko would be this easy a get in a smaller game unless he phoned it in or really did slip, which seems kind of unlikely even if true. Seems indy or town is way likelier
My guy, the game literally needs claims to solve, it’s a semi open setup, if we don’t ask for claims, we are already doomed, now answer me this, why is he not claiming? are we at fault to assume he is scum fearing if he claims he might get CCed since it’s a semi-open setup, tell me I’m wrong for thinking that?
 
Is it really that hard for you to understand that we basically have 3 scum atm that catching any one of them would be in town’s upmost interest?
I feel like you are trying to convey a game setup that does bot exist, most of the players are townies as of now, that will change as the game progresses further simply because of the conversion mechanic, your refusal to claim is hurting town bad, you are trying to make a discussion out of a game that heavily relies on deductions and mechanics and not threadplay, super role madness is a closed setup, one that benefits those who are good with threadplay and meta and stuff, this version is completely different, you asking people to look at threadplay is the equiv of saying (don’t take the easy way that the game gave you guys, make it harder for yourselves)
that's fine i want to catch scum too, but ultimately the goal of playing the games is enjoyment and i enjoy threadplay more than anything. if i can't convince you of my towniness via threadplay then either i played poorly or my voters did

there are games where i feel like i am lacking in my performance or i made too many mistakes and therefore when i get wagoned in these games with a good case i understand the case and i claim immedietly

i dont feel like this is the case this game. i have not killed a single townie yet and i dont feel like my fellow townies r remotely interested in what i am putting down. getting brushed off as "outed scum" for reasons you barely know is probably the worst feeling you can have playing this game

dont make me repeat myself more times please. i have to be rigid here. if i succumb and claim to such pressure then i reward bad play, and i don't want to do that.

i've given you guys more than enough content to determine my alignment from. if you fail to do that this game maybe you'll do next time, it's not a big deal. just a game afterall. you see it one way, i see it another
 
My guy, the game literally needs claims to solve, it’s a semi open setup, if we don’t ask for claims, we are already doomed, now answer me this, why is he not claiming? are we at fault to assume he is scum fearing if he claims he might get CCed since it’s a semi-open setup, tell me I’m wrong for thinking that?
ali you're not dumb, why do u pretend to be?

im telling you repeatedly i should not be in claim stage. the game does not need my claim, the game needs people to read the words that are coming out of the most leading wagon

you're not at fault for assuming i am scum for not claiming. well, yes it's very restarted, but the fault isn't there. the fault is keeping me at claim stage despite all i've offered in the thread
 
So you believe every single role just be kept hidden until you're forced to claim?
Buddy it's day 1, we shouldn't have certain roles already claimed.
hey udell i made a guess to your alignment which can or can't be wrong, but it doesn't mean the guess isn't flexible to being changed. us continuing to interact can make me update my guess. solving is an iterative process afterall. you make a guess and then you take in all the responses and reactions from others based on your guess and see if u need to make any updates. the more you repeat the process the more accurate the reads become, that's how the game is played.
Nah you did not make a guess stop this right now. You bloody liar.

there is no shame in me making a wrong initial guess about you, so long as i am willing to talk with you and hopefully rectify my guess if it's wrong. this is all normal stuff and not scum indicative.
All of a sudden you want to back down from your BS push on me? So your goal is to tunnel me every game so you can irritate me by game throwing??

I was already annoyed with RipCal and 90% of town last game. Yet you come in a fresh game to bring that up and here you are literally game throwing. I already I don't want to talk about this anymore because 90% of your case on me is literally angle shooting. You are basing your so call guess based on last game. Build your case using evidence from this game because you are wrong. There are players I find suspicious and I have not jump the gun and call them scum. It's only day 1, I already told you to stop acting like you know how I play.

since you are stating that nobody knows how to read you it should be okay if we make some mistakes trying to read you. we're doing our best but none is perfect here. im not claiming a god read on you or anything. i made a guess based on your few starting posts and i am willing to talk to you to see if my read will be updated one way or another. again, this is all perfectly normal solving process
Only person who usually catch me as scum early is Naomi and that's based on past games. I honestly don't even know how she does it because how I play is the same. I usually avoid claiming as scum but that's it. I don't play mafia much anymore and I hardly roll scum, I wasn't even going to sign up for more games until like next year or maybe never. I can never resist Throne of Lies so Fuji completely baited me.
i don't care about looking dumb nor am i interested in your claim, i just had one simple question for you. do you think it is scummy for me to correctly deduce that you are playing differently? im not asking you to town read me either, just your thought on what is more likely[/QUOTE

Wrong.

I am not playing different.

I'm doing literally the same thing I did last game. You were a sub, I played the full game. I play to win and you're here to teach town a lesson. Have a good day man.
 

Ali v2

No regret, yet, every regret.
that's fine i want to catch scum too, but ultimately the goal of playing the games is enjoyment and i enjoy threadplay more than anything. if i can't convince you of my towniness via threadplay then either i played poorly or my voters did
Not in this version, I’m afraid.

there are games where i feel like i am lacking in my performance or i made too many mistakes and therefore when i get wagoned in these games with a good case i understand the case and i claim immedietly

i dont feel like this is the case this game. i have not killed a single townie yet and i dont feel like my fellow townies r remotely interested in what i am putting down. getting brushed off as "outed scum" for reasons you barely know is probably the worst feeling you can have playing this game
So it’s either you game throw as town or choose a boringly die as scum … me personally? I would have gone for a hail merry reckless claim as scum if cornered, if it gets CCed, well I was getting lynched anyway, if it passes, that opens up an entirely new horizon for me, or at least buys me an extra night and day phase.

have at it brother, thought you would be less talkative and more entertaining.
 
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