Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1193 Spoilers Discussion

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Luffy had prolonged fight with adcoc user in kaido allowing him time to figure it out while ray already trained him on basic CoC so he had solid ground to stand on. While Zoro was left to figure it out himself didn't fight adcoc user 1 on 1 for a prolonged period and mihawk propably only trained him in CoA and CoO. The only hint he was given about it's usage was from gaban it's incredibly impressive to be able to use such an ability when you need it.
yes, fact is Zoro mastering acoc now is the most impressiv and fastest mastery we seen. beside Sanji who will be even faster but then again he at least got told already that he has coc and how to unlock it too which Gaban gave pretty good hints.
 

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I'm genuinely confused as fuck.

When Zoro says “how am I supposed to coat my swords in CoC” does that mean even his KoH attacks don’t have CoC coating? We know he can use KoH at will so he shouldn’t have any trouble coating a single sword in KoH and pierce Sommers heart, right?

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Fk knows maybe rootbeer was right...


But the fodders fainted in wano
 
That’s a funny way of saying what really happened, which is that Loki literally beat Imu’s control out of Harald, something Gaban and Saint Shanks failed to do.

“Gaban has greater AP than Loki”-> yet he could not beat Imu’s control out of Harald like Loki did, lol

Gaban wanted to save Harald-> then why didn’t he beat Imu’s control out of Harald? Why did it fall to Loki to do that while Saint Shanks and Gaban got collateral diffed?

All this glaze about Gaban’s AP but he clearly failed to do something Loki did, and Loki fought Harald 1v1 while Gaban and Saint Shanks fought Harald in a 1v100.



This is legit like saying Asura Zolo has greater AP than Luffy because Asura Zolo scarred Kaido and Luffy couldn’t do the same, you are mistaking lethality for AP which is the exact error sword swallowers have used to argue Zolo > Luffy, lol….

Obviously Woki has AP far exceeding Gabum and Saint Shanks, Woki beat the Imu out of Harald which Gabum and Saint Shanks failed to do despite wanting to save him.

This is base Gaban level AP:

This is base Loki level AP:


Base Loki’s AP looks like Roger and Primebeard took steroids and had a full power AdCoC clash, base Gaban’s AP looks like some East Blue shit lol.

If Gaban’s AP was all that, he and Saint Shanks would have beaten Imu’s control out of Harald and Harald would have asked them to kill him. But they were too weak and the task instead fell to Loki.
No, you are mistaking DC for AP. You're herp derp DBZ scaling atp, looking for the biggest booms. You're better than that.

Roger and Garp's final attack is far superior to any attack we've seen in One Piece thus far, yet it had no DC. Luffy's attack that broke through Imu's shield had no DC yet it's seemingly the strongest attack Imu's been hit with thus far.

Gaban's attack wasn't as flashy as Loki's but he made up for it in attack potency. Hiding behind lethality here is a cop-out.

Your Asura vs Luffy's punches comparison is a false equivalency because Gaban didn't scar Imu. His haki strike alone left Imu bloodied and then his attack left Imu genuinely floored and impressed, triggering Imu's transformation.

You could argue lethality if Gaban say chopped off a limb, or scarred Imu etc... but he didn't. The damage was portrayed as generic, Imu just laid there floored in the same way he laid in the Adam tree after Loki's attack except with more damage from Gaban.
 
Old Gaban is more than strong enough, he used an attack way more powerful than the one that killed Harald.
Younger stronger Gaban already failed....
He doesn't know he has to aim the heart? Or that he has no chance to get close to that after 2v1 him with Shanks for the entire battle?
They were getting beatup by Harald too, so no they don't even have the chance.

Funny how you think Harald don't know Gaban who settle down at Elbaf for rest of his life, married and have kids isn't present in Elbaf at that moment? Wow 🤣
 
Younger stronger Gaban already failed....
He doesn't know he has to aim the heart? Or that he has no chance to get close to that after 2v1 him with Shanks for the entire battle?
They were getting beatup by Harald too, so no they don't even have the chance.

Funny how you think Harald don't know Gaban who settle down at Elbaf for rest of his life, married and have kids isn't present in Elbaf at that moment? Wow 🤣
He didn’t know about the heart.

And I didn’t say Harald didn’t know Gaban settled in Elbaf, it’s that Gaban is a known traveler who leaves Elbaf
 
Everything makes sense now, there is no CoC coating Zoro

Sanji and Zoro gonna learn that at the same time

Well, Zoro fans can chill now since this means Ifrit Jambe Sanji was being paralleled this whole time with shallow ass CoC coating Zoro
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Zoro doesn't actually know how to coat his attacks with CoC lol, or is wasting 99% of its potential

This whole time he is just oozing Conquerors Haki for no reason. Which is crazy because it is a huge nerf

i got it right in my latest thread
oda is such a bad writer lol sommers was clearly far above zoro but now zoro is far above sommers with no real explanation for it
 
I swear with all this “HK Harald>Loki” retardation you’d think Imu - who was Harald’s biggest dickrider alongside Gaban would’ve said something, been disappointed by Loki’s strength etc. Instead he acknowledged base/zoan Loki as someone worthy of being the second coming of Nidhogg and we got confirmation that Ragnir was waiting for someone who could take revenge on Imu.

Like you literally have to disregard every bit of narrative and logic surrounding Loki to put him below Harald.
It’s fucking stupid.
Whole discourse makes me think it's G5 vs Kaido all over again.

Like how people claim Luffy to be weaker because "he had help" even though Kaido had help too and both were equally exhausted as of the final fight...and even though the narrative treats Luffy as the defeater of Kaido who was deemed worthy by him.

Now Loki shredding Harald is discarded similarly because of that last blow, even though Harald, Imu, etc hyped up Loki specifically.
 
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