Questions & Mysteries Dolfamingo's Huge Bounty reveal bet

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Armakai Is very strong + I have said how I think the fight went.

Dofla I have said why before, imho. Everything changed agter Jack bounty-wise.

aramaki couldn't have won the fight by any other means than just straight up beating him fair and square, it'd undermine the point behind having weevil lost to him
it's the same reason why everyone thinks ace beat hanafuda fairly, if he didn't then there's no reason to have hanafuda be his hypetool
also oda made bounties that are 1B or above the next big thing immediately after doflamingo was defeated and implied to have a bounty below 1B for a very specific and obvious reason
it may not seem like doflamingo's the type of character to get powercreeped so easily, but keep in mind that lucci was arguably powercrept by moria and kuma in the very next arc, and then the arc after that the entire straw hat crew had to jump a single pacifista when just luffy alone could defeat lucci extreme diff, and then a little after that we're seeing new world pirates destroy the pacifistas easily
oda's always been crazy with the powercreep

 

[Dragon777]

Dory and Brogy caused way more destruction and fear than weevil ever did lmao

Yeah, and the day an Admiral compares them to young WB maybe they could be put together.

 

[Dragon777]

also weevil is a **failed** clone of whitebeard

Yeah, that's why I don't say he's prime WB level, as he would if he was 100% him

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yeah, and the day an Admiral compares them to young WB maybe they could be put together.

there's just no way you believe weevil of all characters is a top tier lol

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yeah, and the day an Admiral compares them to young WB maybe they could be put together.

Yeah if you discount WBs DF and haki

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yeah if you discount WBs DF and haki

well vegapunk CAN replicate paramecias perfectly
but i don't think this matters enough to say weevil is actually on the level of primebeard, even if he does have his fruit

 

[Dragon777]

So failed Oda forgot

Forgot by talking about him in the arc before Erbaf?

 

[Dragon777]

there's just no way you believe weevil of all characters is a top tier lol

It's among the few who Is certainly a top tier. By statement and by who he Is.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

well vegapunk CAN replicate paramecias perfectly
but i don't think this matters enough to say weevil is actually on the level of primebeard, even if he does have his fruit

I wouldn’t assume weevil has green blood since that’s a new invention. And Primebeard isn’t young beard tbh

 

[Dragon777]

Yeah if you discount WBs DF and haki

Yeah, if you discount Kizaru's statement saying they are as strong.

* Weevil, being WB, has WB's haki and has a fruit too. Possibly "smile" Gura Gura, but who knows.

 

[Dragon777]

well vegapunk CAN replicate paramecias perfectly
but i don't think this matters enough to say weevil is actually on the level of primebeard, even if he does have his fruit

On this it's not like we're speculating because reasons: we are simply reading though.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yeah, if you discount Kizaru's statement saying they are as strong.

* Weevil, being WB, has WB's haki and has a fruit too. Possibly "smile" Gura Gura, but who knows.

He doesn’t have WBs haki lmao Kizaru said that he’s similar to Whitebeard in youth in terms of strength right after saying he’s extremely powerful. He’s as physically strong as young Whitebeard but doesn’t have WBs powers aka his CoC nor his DF.

I get you’re just hyping him for green bull agenda.

 

[Dragon777]

He doesn’t have WBs haki lmao Kizaru said that he’s similar to Whitebeard in youth in terms of strength right after saying he’s extremely powerful. He’s as physically strong as young Whitebeard but doesn’t have WBs powers aka his CoC nor his DF.

Kizaru never said anything about physical strength. He's making a general statement, as is standard for the phrasing used in this manga. Just like "World's Strongest Man" doesn't mean "physically strongest", neither does this.

And yes, he literally has WB's Haki, because he is literally WB's clone. As for the DF, we have yet to see. Regardless, we aren't the ones speculating here; we are just reading Kizaru's words.
Kizaru is the one who equated Weevil to a young WB, not us. The points I brought up just confirm Kizaru's statement.

The only thing left to guess is which "young WB" Kizaru is talking about. Considering Weevil's age and WB's timeline, I think he means Rocks era WB.

Weevil = 35 year old Rocks WB. That version of WB was exactly Weevil's age and was already a monster, strong enough for an Admiral to call his strength incredible and to know him.

I get you’re just hyping him for green bull agenda.

Nah, that's just a side bonus. I've been hyping Weevil since forever.

Oda wouldn't introduce a literal clone of WB just to make him anything less than top tier. Especially not now, in the endgame of the manga.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Kizaru never said anything about physical strength. He's making a general statement, as is standard for the phrasing used in this manga. Just like "World's Strongest Man" doesn't mean "physically strongest", neither does this.

And yes, he literally has WB's Haki, because he is literally WB's clone. As for the DF, we have yet to see. Regardless, we aren't the ones speculating here; we are just reading Kizaru's words.
Kizaru is the one who equated Weevil to a young WB, not us. The points I brought up just confirm Kizaru's statement.

The only thing left to guess is which "young WB" Kizaru is talking about. Considering Weevil's age and WB's timeline, I think he means Rocks era WB.

Weevil = 35 year old Rocks WB. That version of WB was exactly Weevil's age and was already a monster, strong enough for an Admiral to call his strength incredible and to know him.



Nah, that's just a side bonus. I've been hyping Weevil since forever.

Oda wouldn't introduce a literal clone of WB just to make him anything less than top tier. Especially not now, in the endgame of the manga.

So you think S Hawk has equal haki as Mihawk cause he’s Mihawks clone?

He equated weevil to young Whitebeard in strength, not power as the very line differentiates the two.

 

[Kiiro]

Ironically enough, if Doflamingo still had his crew, his deals (with Kaido for instance), he was still a broker and had still Dressrosa thanks to blackmailing, I would have given him a 2 billion bounty.

But he lost everything, which makes him less dangerous.

I mean, look at the other ex Warlords.

Boa Hancock still has an island full of warriors who can use Haki.

Crocodile is a high officer in a criminal organisation which hunts Marines and encourages people to kill Marines (and it looks like Crocodile is the one who advertises the Cross Guild to other criminal organisations to get fundings).

What does Doflamingo currently have ?
He has no crew anymore (which was pretty powerful), he isn’t a broker anymore, he has no criminal organisation.
The only thing he has is his knowledge about some governemental secret.

So if he has to have a new bounty, il will be about his strength and this secret.

But between a dude who has a secret (and who is strong) and a woman (who is strong too) who has an island full of warriors and a dude (who is strong too) who is in an organisation hunting Marines, I think I consider the latter two as more dangerous.

But I want to be generous with Doflamingo and say he deserves a bounty between 1.6 billion and 1.7 billion.

I can’t go beyond 1.8 billion because Dorry and Brogy basically can wipe out cities with their crew full of giants.
Doflamingo can with his birdcage but it only takes the defeat of Doflamingo to stop the Birdcage while you have to beat every giants to stop a rampage launched by Dorry and Brogy.
Which makes Dorry and Brogy as more dangerous imo because they and their crew are like a multi-heads hydra while Doflamingo is alone.

So you are saying he will hace a lower bounty than frozen bounty?

So, If Kaido, losing his crew... Will decrease his bounty?

 

[Kiiro]

On this it's not like we're speculating because reasons: we are simply reading though.

Just as Kaido said Jack could defeat Luffy?

Mmm remember that what characters say arent 100% accurate.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

On this it's not like we're speculating because reasons: we are simply reading though.

this is more of a simile than a serious comparison between the two
it's no different from zoro saying king's beak is "like a laser" even though it's obviously not that similar to a laser, it's just that both are ridiculously fast and heavy
if weevil were actually as strong as whitebeard, there'd be no point in making him a failed clone of him, he doesn't even have a supreme grade naginata either
and again, oda is NOT having aramaki low-mid diff someone who's on the level of god valley whitebeard (that's basically primebeard)
i'm not even saying that aramaki isn't ridiculously strong, but to believe he could defeat near-prime whitebeard, let alone defeat him without being pushed to at least a high diff, is asinine.

 

[Dragon777]

So you think S Hawk has equal haki as Mihawk cause he’s Mihawks clone?

A hypothetical adult S Hawk? Yeah.

Though I don't think he'll reach Mihawk's prime in haki, as Weevil won't with WB's, an adult S-Hawk would surely match some past version of Mihawk.
For Whitebeard, it's easier to gauge. I've already stated that, in my opinion, the young WB Kizaru was talking about is the 35 years old WB from the Rocks pirates. So Weevil's prime is a lesser, even though still extremely powerful, version of WB.

Since we don't know much about Mihawk's past, I can't make a direct comparison. I also don't know the exact age of a hypothetical adult S-Hawk, since seraphims age at a different speed than regular humans. With Weevil, I could say 35 years old Weevil ~ 35 years old WB, but I can't do the same for S Hawk.

But just for fun, let's say: Adult S Hawk = 30 year old Mihawk, yeah.

He equated weevil to young Whitebeard in strength, not power as the very line differentiates the two.

As I said, just as WSM isn't just about being the physically strongest man, WSC isn't just about being the physically strongest creature, and WSS isn't just about being the physically strongest swordsman, this statement isn't purely about physical strength either.

Kizaru is making a general statement using "power" and "strength" interchangeably, as has always been the case in this manga.

And Weevil is indeed incredibly powerful, just as, in my opinion, Rocks-era WB was.

 

[Dragon777]

Just as Kaido said Jack could defeat Luffy?

Mmm remember that what characters say arent 100% accurate.

Obviously there is room for interpretation. That's why I am not pushing the idea that Weevil = Prime WB. But comparing him to WB before he was even a captain is another matter.

Also, Luffy tends to be undersold by other characters. In this case, we are looking at a different situation. The person making the statement is saying that, aside from the comparison itself, Weevil is incredibly strong even by his own standards. And the character making this claim is a top tier.

More importantly, I just don't see a reason to introduce a clone of Whitebeard, especially at this late stage in the game, if he wasn't going to be incredibly strong.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Obviously there is room for interpretation. That's why I am not pushing the idea that Weevil = Prime WB. But comparing him to WB before he was even a captain is another matter.

Also, Luffy tends to be undersold by other characters. In this case, we are looking at a different situation. The person making the statement is saying that, aside from the comparison itself, Weevil is incredibly strong even by his own standards. And the character making this claim is a top tier.

More importantly, I just don't see a reason to introduce a clone of Whitebeard, especially at this late stage in the game, if he wasn't going to be incredibly strong.

A failed clone. You keep ignoring that.