Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1195 Spoilers Discussion

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

it's literally the same as zoro's where he randomly unlocks conq haki against an opponent he has 0 real emotional or narrative connections to and decides to remember now of all times that his mentor told him he has the potential to unlock it when there were far better times to do that (i.e whole cake island)
luffy's awakening of conq haki is beloved because, one:
it was a very natural progression and had hints to it leading up to the big reveal, i.e him scaring the bull and having an unusual amount of willpower, fearlessness and determination even in the worst situations
two: it was at a pivotal moment for him where he was about to see his estranged brother get beheaded on live broadcast
three: it wasn't dragged out and wasn't just treated as a generic powerup he needed to defeat the villain of the week
sanji and zoro don't have any of these, and i'm certain you know this. the only reason you believe sanji's is better than zoro is because you have this mindset where sanji has to be objectively better than zoro in every way possible even though that has never actually mattered and only makes you look like a buffoon since you spend most of your time hating on zoro rather than spreading your love for sanji (which btw is not quite what i imagine a real sanji fan would do), and you believe that anyone who calls you out on this is a heckin evil illiterate moron who just hates sanji and doesn't want to see anyone praising him no matter what
because it's easier to just blame other people than admit you're not a perfect person, you unfortunately will keep resorting to deflecting no matter what i or anyone say, you would likely even argue down your own parents on this just because you can't bare the concept of reflecting on yourself and not being biased 24/7

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It’s actually a 0% change as Zoro said it would take him hours to get from the port to the town while Imu and Luffy are on the other side of the branch

tbf knowing how bad he is at directions i think that's exclusive to him

 

[Sir Yasheen]

tbf knowing how bad he is at directions i think that's exclusive to him

Zoro doesn’t know he’s bad at directions

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Zoro doesn’t know he’s bad at directions

that was the joke

 

[Jackteo]

If Sommers dead, wouldn't that nerf Killingham?..

No "Zoro vs Sommers" chapter yet. Sommers is still alive

 

[TheLastBerserker]

If Sommers dead, wouldn't that nerf Killingham?..

Sommers is ducking the smoke, he's gone full Usopp mode

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

sanji's writing here isn't exactly much better lol

People telling me that Nami or Usopp getting CoC out of nowhere wouldn't make sense now have no ground to stand on

Zoro's entire "I have CoC? How could I know when everyone keeps telling me" is just insane work.

We'll see how Sanji's ends up, but, either way... he's about to just randomly develop CoC in a fight, most likely.

I'm gonna push Nami/Usopp CoC in Elbaph even harder after this.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

EVIDENTLY, you can’t. Sommers being anything but an epic duel is what’s funny.

Zoro fans have been waiting ~5.5 years since ch 1010 for Zoro to finally realise he has CoC and master it.

Oda took a steaming pile of shit on your heads, retard.

?? Why would we want some epic duel lol. Zoro is above these bums. Sanji is still struggling tho causr he not on zoro level

 

[Rumble]

it's literally the same as zoro's where he randomly unlocks conq haki against an opponent he has 0 real emotional or narrative connections to and decides to remember now of all times that his mentor told him he has the potential to unlock it when there were far better times to do that (i.e whole cake island)

The opponent is unimportant beyond being a catalyst for change.

Zoro awakening Conqueror's Haki was not random. It occurred while saving his best friend. The person closest to him since losing Kuina.

Nobody has an issue with the inciting incident for Zoro's awakening. The issues arise with what followed. We had to go ~150 chapters before he realised he has Conqueror's Haki and another ~30 to learn aCoC. It was a slow, fragmented and dissatisfying journey culminating it a dog shit fight. That's why people hate it, you don't have to intellectualise it beyond that. It's not your strong suit and nobody here respects you for it.

luffy's awakening of conq haki is beloved because, one:
it was a very natural progression and had hints to it leading up to the big reveal, i.e him scaring the bull and having an unusual amount of willpower, fearlessness and determination even in the worst situations
two: it was at a pivotal moment for him where he was about to see his estranged brother get beheaded on live broadcast
three: it wasn't dragged out and wasn't just treated as a generic powerup he needed to defeat the villain of the week

The Monster Trio are birds of a feather, that's why their bonds run so deep. Each of them has obscene willpower and lives their life on their own unreasonable terms, as Conquerors are like to do.

Luffy's awakening had the preserved novelty behind the ability. There was more cause for curiosity than judgment because understanding was still something being built towards.

aCoC is presented in-story as a separating quality of immense value and utility. It is and has been treated as a requisite ability relevant beyond any villain of the week.

sanji and zoro don't have any of these, and i'm certain you know this. the only reason you believe sanji's is better than zoro is because you have this mindset where sanji has to be objectively better than zoro in every way possible even though that has never actually mattered and only makes you look like a buffoon since you spend most of your time hating on zoro rather than spreading your love for sanji (which btw is not quite what i imagine a real sanji fan would do), and you believe that anyone who calls you out on this is a heckin evil illiterate moron who just hates sanji and doesn't want to see anyone praising him no matter what

There's a lot of crybaby bullshit to parse through here, but the bottom line is that there is a consistent throughline with Sanji that ties in perfectly to what it means to be a Conqueror. If you think Zoro and Sanji benefit equally from Oda's writing, I have cause to respect your opinion less than I already do.

Where Zoro fans are routinely humiliated by their own hubris, Sanji fans have been routinely vindicated because they can actually pick up what Oda is putting is down. It's not that it is hard to, it's that most other fans, especially those that dislike or hate Sanji, just tend to be that dumb.

because it's easier to just blame other people than admit you're not a perfect person, you unfortunately will keep resorting to deflecting no matter what i or anyone say, you would likely even argue down your own parents on this just because you can't bare the concept of reflecting on yourself and not being biased 24/7

If one side is consistently vindicated over the other, they earn the legitimacy to express that. The fact I choose to be unkind in how I express how dumb I think you are, doesn't change that it is my sincere belief you're dumb. There is no deflection in stating that. It's not a distraction from the issue, it is pointing to the root cause of it. We disagree because your disagreement is rooted in ignorance or stupidity or both. We can agree to disagree on things, but waste my time and good faith, and the tenor will reflect the contempt I have for your behaviour.

 

[Jackteo]

?? Why would we want some epic duel lol. Zoro is above these bums. Sanji is still struggling tho causr he not on zoro level

The voyage is as important as the destination. Who cares if they are not world renowned top tiers? Sommers is immortal, wields a legendary weapon and is powered up by the strongest being that ever was. The sky is the limit. More than enough for a good fight.

I think you all are just salty Zoro isn't fighting against Imu alongside Luffy. Once again the rooftop proves itself to be the worst possible decision Oda ever made.

 

[Fn Lucci]

The voyage is as important as the destination. Who cares if they are not world renowned top tiers? Sommers is immortal, wields a legendary weapon and is powered up by the strongest being that ever was. The sky is the limit. More than enough for a good fight.

I think you all are just salty Zoro isn't fighting against Imu alongside Luffy. Once again the rooftop proves itself to be the worst possible decision Oda ever made.

The plot is empty calories but in the fan service department there's an open buffet for Zoro fans

 

[Rumble]

?? Why would we want some epic duel lol. Zoro is above these bums. Sanji is still struggling tho causr he not on zoro level

Yeah, dude, why would you want to have a satisfying conclusion to Zoro's journey with Conqueror's Haki?

 

[Rumble]

The voyage is as important as the destination. Who cares if they are not world renowned top tiers? Sommers is immortal, wields a legendary weapon and is powered up by the strongest being that ever was. The sky is the limit. More than enough for a good fight.

I think you all are just salty Zoro isn't fighting against Imu alongside Luffy. Once again the rooftop proves itself to be the worst possible decision Oda ever made.

It is the lamest cult imaginable, it's like being a feckless loser is the point of it.

 

[Doggo]

The voyage is as important as the destination. Who cares if they are not world renowned top tiers? Sommers is immortal, wields a legendary weapon and is powered up by the strongest being that ever was. The sky is the limit. More than enough for a good fight.

I think you all are just salty Zoro isn't fighting against Imu alongside Luffy. Once again the rooftop proves itself to be the worst possible decision Oda ever made.

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

rumble is still malding and seething? Does this guy ever sleep?

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Maybe Lili's Tool turns everyone into furries

 

[Rumble]

rumble is still malding and seething? Does this guy ever sleep?

Damn near 10 pages worth of threads with Sanji in the title btw. Mental illness no diffed.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Maybe Lili's Tool turns everyone into furries

@Worstgenhq @AverageBuggyEnjoyer we gotta put him down

 

[Hedfi]

Lily's treasure is most assuredly the Nefertari heirloom. It could be anything from something mundane like a hairpin that free people from Imu's contracts, or what's equivalent to Longuinus and the other Celestial Dragon families super weapons since the Nefertari are technically the lost 20th family amongst the founding 20.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

@Worstgenhq @AverageBuggyEnjoyer we gotta put him down

Meowscarada is by far the hottest Pokemon they've put out since Gardevoir (unless you're into REAL furry stuff, then it's a mix of Lopunny/Incineroar/Lucario depending on sexual preferences)

Like Incin, just a fucking furry cat outfit masquerading as a Pokemon

REEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

...I have no excuse, we have spoilers, and they're good spoilers.

If Kuma does end up dying in the future, I still want Vivi to eat his Fruit and become a Catgirl. Hope Kuma lives, though, I want Vivi to get the Zaza Fruit now. Fits well with her making it rain in Alabasta, and would also explain why Lili was a threat to the WG. Also could be insight into Lili's past, maybe she was blamed for the worldwide flooding because she had the Zaza Fruit.

It would explain Imu simping, though, if Lili was a super hot cat-woman like... Catwoman, or Meowscarada.