Speculations Now that we know enough about CoC - Who else do you think has it after 1194?

[shadow31]

All of Marineford was shocked when Luffy revealed CoC. How in God's name does Ulti fit this criteria?

I don't even understand your reply...
You're asking me to compare someone who showed signs of CoC so obviously Luffy shocked everyone witnessed him, with someone who never shows CoC.
I just said Ulti has a personnality who can make you think she's a good candidate to have CoC

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

why

His dialogues and actions and behavior are not like the others. But maybe i am blind to it.

Dellinger was 16 in Dressrosa and did absolutely great. One Piece characters usually reach power between 30-40 and peak between 40-60. No guarantee of course but his potential combat power should be much higher than for example Diamante who was 45-50.

Prince Grus is around 23-26. He has been portrayed as Cobys true rival in the Marines around his age bracket. I think Coby has the potential to become FA while Grus could become Admiral and thus qualify for CoC.

being a prodigy does not mean he has the potential to be a CoC user. I mean even his time and panels in Dressrosa there is nothing to express the same qualities as the others.

Same goes for Prince Grus we only seen few of him but if i had to choose who can might have it i would say Prince Grus over Delinger.

 

[Roo]

His dialogues and actions and behavior are not like the others. But maybe i am blind to it.

He's written like Sanji and Koby lol. I don't see how you can think those two will have it and not Law. In fact Law show's more CoC qualities than Koby

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

He's written like Sanji and Koby lol. I don't see how you can think those two will have it and not Law. In fact Law show's more CoC qualities than Koby

Law isn't as expressive as these guys. He is always so reserved and awkward. He is written like Sanji yes but Sanji is way more expressive i might be reading too much into it but its what i am seeing different between them.

 

[Roo]

Law isn't as expressive as these guys.

But then you have guys like WB and Katakuri who are not as expressive either.

Yeah I think you are kind of just choosing to not include Law due to some bias

 

[Wanderer]

He was wavering even Garp pointed that out for him. Either way its up in the air.. why would Garp choose to mentor him in the 1st place if he didn't see what he saw in Koby. At this point no idea .. but Akainu.. hmm.

Well, Garp didn't really choose Kuzan as his student, initially he said him to go away.
Well we gonna see, I think both options are possible.

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

But then you have guys like WB and Katakuri who are not as expressive either.

Yeah I think you are kind of just choosing to not include Law due to some bias

WB and Kat are waay more expressive than Law.. there is no way you compare them to Law. Trust me there is no bias here. Maybe Law will change i mean.. look at him vs BB he seemed to have learned more about Haki maybe he figured something out.

 

[Roo]

WB and Kat are waay more expressive than Law..

Katakuri's whole thing is his stoicism, it's literally how his FS works. You gotta help me out here dawg because you are not making any sense

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Katakuri's whole thing is his stoicism, it's literally how his FS works. You gotta help me out here dawg because you are not making any sense

Kat whole backstory is him expressing who he wanted to be for the sake of his family. Him yelling and going after who hurts his sister. How he handled the situation with Flampe.

He is more like Zoro than Law.

I am not dismissing the idea all together that Law can/have the qualities but i am not seeing it right now.

 

[Roo]

Kat whole backstory is him expressing who he wanted to be for the sake of his family. Him yelling and going after who hurts his sister. How he handled the situation with Flampe.

He is more like Zoro than Law.

I am not dismissing the idea all together that Law can/have the qualities but i am not seeing it right now.

i can pull up a bunch of panels of law being expressive as a kid, and his initial statement of wanting to destroy the world also ties to his D heritage lol

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

i can pull up a bunch of panels of law being expressive as a kid, and his initial statement of wanting to destroy the world also ties to his D heritage lol

Yea i remember them. Its why Doffy saw potential in him but he turned out differently right? I have nothing against Law trust me lol.

 

[Roo]

Yea i remember them. Its why Doffy saw potential in him but he turned out differently right?

I mean his dream is directly leading him to what he wanted as a kid, he just doesn't know it yet.

He's also expressive as an adult so again i am still lost. I can pull a bunch of panels of him not being stoic. Can you elaborate a bit more?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Law isn't as expressive as these guys.

as opposed to sengoku and mihawk?

 

[Rivaille]

Nothing changed, the character who will have it will have it because Oda wants to. Not for some obscure criteria.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

As the title says..

I think after Mihawk Explanation paired with what Rayleigh told Luffy back then we have enough confirmation of which characters might have it in them.

-- Cannot be trained but it grows with the user itself -- (Luffy will be jesus)
-- Having no doubt is power -- (You hear that Sanji..)
-- Sense of Self -- (Unshakable Ego etc)

before naming some characters .. this chapter 1194 - 597 = 597 .. funny chapter that was

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BTW i don't mean they already have it unlocked .. just that they fit the requirements.

Sabo - Koby - Ulti - Wyper - King - Buggy - Ussop - Noland.

lets see some names

Loki
Harald
Roger
Whitebeard
Dragon
Sanji
Luffy
Zoro
Sengoku
Akainu
Joyboy
Nika
Hancock
Kidd
Hyogoro
Don Chinjao
Dolflamingo
Big mom
Kaido
Shanks
Mihawk
Rox
Imu-Sama

that’s it.

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

I mean his dream is directly leading him to what he wanted as a kid, he just doesn't know it yet.

He's also expressive as an adult so again i am still lost. I can pull a bunch of panels of him not being stoic. Can you elaborate a bit more?

Take for one The red scabbards each of them have wild personalities right ? but none of them possesses CoC their way of thinking is limited as a followers their goals and ideals are all for one person Oden.

Law as a kid who hated everything was picked and chosen by doffy but then he changed because of Corazon and Law lived his life just to avenge Corazon by any means necessary even if he himself died in the process. So he dedicated his life not for himself.

Only now he has a new goal that he wants to achieve but his actions in Wano still made him look like a Luffy believer rather than trying to be something himself. Yes all the SH are Luffy believers but Zoro for example is not only doing it for Luffy but for himself.

That is why i say "i don't see it for now".

as opposed to sengoku and mihawk?

I meant he isn't sure of himself like them and how they think of themselves. Mihawk calls everyone weak/insect etc he thinks he is above all swordsman ever since his 1st introduction.

We haven't seen much of Sengoku but his brief Marineford showing when he made that Peace Speech speaks of his persona. Aka if he and marine became the Symbol of Peace etc.

These are the kind of expressions i meant. Law on the other hand does not think "he" should participate in the race for one piece but rather wait it out for a better chance "his words pre time skip".

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Take for one The red scabbards each of them have wild personalities right ? but none of them possesses CoC their way of thinking is limited as a followers their goals and ideals are all for one person Oden.

Law as a kid who hated everything was picked and chosen by doffy but then he changed because of Corazon and Law lived his life just to avenge Corazon by any means necessary even if he himself died in the process. So he dedicated his life not for himself.

Only now he has a new goal that he wants to achieve but his actions in Wano still made him look like a Luffy believer rather than trying to be something himself. Yes all the SH are Luffy believers but Zoro for example is not only doing it for Luffy but for himself.

That is why i say "i don't see it for now".


I meant he isn't sure of himself like them and how they think of themselves. Mihawk calls everyone weak/insect etc he thinks he is above all swordsman ever since his 1st introduction.

We haven't seen much of Sengoku but his brief Marineford showing when he made that Peace Speech speaks of his persona. Aka if he and marine became the Symbol of Peace etc.

These are the kind of expressions i meant. Law on the other hand does not think "he" should participate in the race for one piece but rather wait it out for a better chance "his words pre time skip".

You keep moving the goalpost
I thought it was only a matter of them being expressive? And yes, Law is sure of himself, he's been very clear about what his dreams are and how he'll achieve them.

 

[Roo]

Take for one The red scabbards each of them have wild personalities right ? but none of them possesses CoC their way of thinking is limited as a followers their goals and ideals are all for one person Oden.

Law as a kid who hated everything was picked and chosen by doffy but then he changed because of Corazon and Law lived his life just to avenge Corazon by any means necessary even if he himself died in the process. So he dedicated his life not for himself.

Only now he has a new goal that he wants to achieve but his actions in Wano still made him look like a Luffy believer rather than trying to be something himself. Yes all the SH are Luffy believers but Zoro for example is not only doing it for Luffy but for himself.

These are the kind of expressions i meant. Law on the other hand does not think "he" should participate in the race for one piece but rather wait it out for a better chance "his words pre time skip".

brother I feel like you don't pay attention to Law's character at all

In the same arc where he was a "luffy believer" we see him take direct actions to achieve his goal.

Spoiler

You also mention his pre ts words, which are not only outdated, lack the full context of his character(we know his main goal was killing Doffy instead at the time) and also don't contradict the personality of other CoC users. Doffy for example has been scheming for years to obtain his goal, and had been patiently waiting for Law.

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

You keep moving the goalpost
I thought it was only a matter of them being expressive? And yes, Law is sure of himself, he's been very clear about what his dreams are and how he'll achieve them.

No i just thought the word expressive didn't convey the meaning right so i had to explain my thoughts on him and elaborate on the word more.

"Law is sure of himself, he's been very clear about what his dreams are and how he'll achieve them. "

Yea but that makes him like everyone else "Nami - Franky - Jimbei - etc" that does not change the fact he does not express himself like the others. But does not mean there is no chance for him. We are still waiting for Sanji's moment which he should be the 1st guy can levels up from being in the same list as Law.

brother I feel like you don't pay attention to Law's character at all

In the same arc where he was a "luffy believer" we see him take direct actions to achieve his goal.

Spoiler

You also mention his pre ts words, which are not only outdated, lack the full context of his character(we know his main goal was killing Doffy instead at the time) and also don't contradict the personality of other CoC users. Doffy for example has been scheming for years to obtain his goal, and had been patiently waiting for Law.

Look i chose his wording pre time skip to show how he thinks. Did he change after Doffy? Yes. Is everything shown in these panels you sent enough to make him 100% CoC user .. no.. his dream is now similar to Robin.. Does she have CoC too?

And Yes CoC users are schemers too BM - Kaido - Doffy but they present themselves differently. I don't want to nitpick every dialogue he says but look even against BM in the panel on left he says "Can't believe i have to beat this in order to do this" While Kid goes full on conviction that they will beat her.

And yes all characters have doubts etc even Luffy. But Law seems like he keeps doubting himself.

You two got me so wrong here i am not saying he would never but as of now i can't see it yet. Like for Sanji i was skeptical but had hopes for him until the chapter Gaban confirmed it.

Lets just see what Law does next.

 

[Roo]

No i just thought the word expressive didn't convey the meaning right so i had to explain my thoughts on him and elaborate on the word more.

"Law is sure of himself, he's been very clear about what his dreams are and how he'll achieve them. "

Yea but that makes him like everyone else "Nami - Franky - Jimbei - etc" that does not change the fact he does not express himself like the others. But does not mean there is no chance for him. We are still waiting for Sanji's moment which he should be the 1st guy can levels up from being in the same list as Law.


Look i chose his wording pre time skip to show how he thinks. Did he change after Doffy? Yes. Is everything shown in these panels you sent enough to make him 100% CoC user .. no.. his dream is now similar to Robin.. Does she have CoC too?

And Yes CoC users are schemers too BM - Kaido - Doffy but they present themselves differently. I don't want to nitpick every dialogue he says but look even against BM in the panel on left he says "Can't believe i have to beat this in order to do this" While Kid goes full on conviction that they will beat her.

And yes all characters have doubts etc even Luffy. But Law seems like he keeps doubting himself.

You two got me so wrong here i am not saying he would never but as of now i can't see it yet. Like for Sanji i was skeptical but had hopes for him until the chapter Gaban confirmed it.

Lets just see what Law does next.

It seems odd that after being skeptical of Sanji getting it, and seeing his development into becoming a conquerors you wouldn’t reflect and hold the same space for Law