Chapter Discussion One Piece chapter 1196: The Love of those who seek death is worthless
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Oda's title in this chapter is so misleading
"The Love of those who seek death is worthless"
Yet
At the same time preach how " The love of of those who sacrifice is priceless "
Death is portrayed as the ultimate form of sacrifice in the Manga
Both fundamentally places something above one's self.
When Sanji take damage , it's self hating
When Zoro take damage, it's sacrifice.
"The Love of those who seek death is worthless"
Yet
At the same time preach how " The love of of those who sacrifice is priceless "
Death is portrayed as the ultimate form of sacrifice in the Manga
Both fundamentally places something above one's self.
When Sanji take damage , it's self hating
When Zoro take damage, it's sacrifice.
There's a difference between discarding something you do not value vs sacrificing something you do. Sanji feels worthless and it's not like he's looking for death, but when he believes that his death has more value that his life, he is easily ready to die, because "there's nothing to lose". Zoro doesn't feel worthless, he wants to live and fight for his dream. So when he is ready to die for Luffy, this is a sacrifice. It's not that easy to explain, because in a nutshell both are ready to die for someone else's dreams, but there's more weight to it when you actually want to live versus when you believe you're not worth it.
It's a funny coincidence, but I also wrote a story recently where the MC tries to go the "gotta sacrifice myself because I'm damaged goods" route and gets saved by the person she was trying to sacrifice herself for. And she also snaps from perceiving herself as a tool to accepting that she's worth more than just being useful.
But I am not Oda, and my story is really short, so the character arc is not stretched through years like Sanji's :)
But I am not Oda, and my story is really short, so the character arc is not stretched through years like Sanji's :)
Amazing how many fans are this easily satisfied with such a nothing burger chapter.
"superb character development"
Lmfao, we've known his lack of self-love for years and it has been THE central theme of the entire WCI arc.
Oda trying to spin it like it's something totally new that Sanji just realizes now doesn't change this.
In the end we're once again right where we were before the chapter started - Sanji knowing he needs to use CoC in order to win here and talking big in front of Killingham.
How is anyone getting fooled by this huge pile of triviality? It's fascinating to me.
"superb character development"
Lmfao, we've known his lack of self-love for years and it has been THE central theme of the entire WCI arc.
Oda trying to spin it like it's something totally new that Sanji just realizes now doesn't change this.
In the end we're once again right where we were before the chapter started - Sanji knowing he needs to use CoC in order to win here and talking big in front of Killingham.
How is anyone getting fooled by this huge pile of triviality? It's fascinating to me.
It's also depends on how good the "cause" is
Zoro for example, will sacrifice himself for WSS title.
For average person, that's an silly abstract thing. In this framing, you can can say Zoro lack self worth to sacrifice himself to such a thing.
In fact, This is what Sanji initially thinks about Zoro's ambition in Baratie. He thought Zoro was stupid to sacrifice himself in a doomed fight against Mihawk for his ambition. So this is a rational in-verse view.
Even most Zoro fans will agree that Zoro's life is way more important than WSS title, despite Zoro himself don't think so.
