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According to WGHQ, Sanji got something other than ACoC this chapter. What is it?


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Rayleigh is put next to 5B characters
So only garp and akainu and Sengoku given benefit of the doubt stand chance against him
Kizaru can chat with lower level than that which is Egghead luffy, Kaido big mom etc etc.
He cannot hang with Rayleigh
 
"Sanji’s Conqueror’s Haki lightning is similar to what we saw in the Garp vs. Kuzan encounter. He hits Kilingham and breaks his omen helmet.... "
Did Killingham headbutt into Sanji's attack to minimize the damage, genius? :suresure:
I can see nothing about that fight, I'm just going off based on what Worstgenhq described so far. I also don't see a single sentence when it's stated this ACoC feat was caused by both Killingham and Sanji.
Meanwhile, both Garp and Kuzan used the same kind of attack, both caused exact same visuals and black lightning but in your mind, that doesn't count at all when there are now 2 newer instances with a similar feat, lol. You're still in the denial stage, you'll eventually get there just like how the temple scholars finally needed to accept Zoro's rival got ACoC, ACoA in a single chapter. :kobeha:



Kicking Killingham across an island or into the ocean is an easy feat for the light man, lmao. Did you seriously ask me such a stupid question even twice? They wouldn't represent WG's strongest force if they weren't capable of some CoC coating at least. It seems you're another one who skipped Chinjao's speech about conquerors - he made sure to put emperors AND admirals at the top of the food chain. Where are the Holy Jobbers tho?



Yep, Kaido doesn't have awakening and he struggled against base Luffy.
Admirals on the other hand... have ACoC AND could even be awakened lol.

When are we doing the bet?
Let's stick to the actual facts established in the manga, not future headcanon or fanfiction.

1. Akainu vs. Holy Knight
  • Does Akainu have confirmed ACoC? NO.
  • What is absolutely required to defeat a Holy Knight? ACoC.
  • Who wins between a Holy Knight with OMEN and regeneration and Akainu without confirmed ACoC?
  • Answer: The Holy Knight.
2. Kizaru vs. Holy Knight
  • Does Kizaru have confirmed ACoC? NO.
  • What is absolutely required to defeat a Holy Knight? ACoC.
  • Who wins between a Holy Knight with OMEN and regeneration and Kizaru without confirmed ACoC?
  • Answer: The Holy Knight.
3. Green Bull vs. Holy Knight
  • Does Green Bull have confirmed ACoC? NO.
  • What is absolutely required to defeat a Holy Knight? ACoC.
  • Who wins between a Holy Knight with OMEN and regeneration and Green Bull without confirmed ACoC?
  • Answer: The Holy Knight.
4. Fujitora vs. Holy Knight
  • Does Fujitora have confirmed ACoC? NO.
  • What is absolutely required to defeat a Holy Knight? ACoC.
  • Who wins between a Holy Knight with OMEN and regeneration and Fujitora without confirmed ACoC?
  • Answer: The Holy Knight.
Conclusion: Until the Admirals demonstrate ACoC or another confirmed way to overcome OMEN and regeneration, claiming they can defeat the Holy Knights is pure speculation, not an established manga fact.

Aside from the visual "effects" caused by attacks, which prove absolutely nothing about whether someone has ACoC or not and are pretty inconsistent, do the Admirals have any other evidence of possessing ACoC?

Any standalone use of Conqueror's Haki knocking out fodder? Any statements confirming it? NO.

It's honestly pathetic that the only thing you've been clinging to for years is a mutual exchange of punches between Kuzan and Garp, where that brief clash ended up confirming Garp's ACoC, but NOT Kuzan's, through the Vivre Cards. LMAO.
Admirals on the other hand... have ACoC
Show me the manga panels of Kizaru, Green Bull, Fujitora, and Akainu using ACoC. I just want to check something. I think I must have missed those pages, my friend.:ClownStare:
Or should I wait another 2,000 chapters? HMMM.:ClownStare::ClownStare:

Let me do the same:
Kaido, on the other hand, has Golden Haki, black wings, Lunarian flames, and might even have a Devil Fruit awakening. He just hasn't shown any of it yet. Just wait another 10,130,203 chapters. LMAO.:ClownStare::ClownStare:
 
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Yeah, but if somehow he does and they keep of fighting, Kizaru might eventually win because he's like much younger than Ray and is closer to his prome. If Ray doesn't win in the first 10 minutes or so, his following attacks are likely to get weaker.
Prime Ray absolutely demolishes Kizaru tho.
I mean imu if wasnt immortal would've barely got up after what injured gaban did to him.... Ray should be able to knock kizaru out imo
 
Let's stick to the actual facts established in the manga, not future headcanon or fanfiction.

1. Akainu vs. Holy Knight
  • Does Akainu have confirmed ACoC? NO.
  • What is absolutely required to defeat a Holy Knight? ACoC.
  • Who wins between a Holy Knight with OMEN and regeneration and Akainu without confirmed ACoC?
  • Answer: The Holy Knight.
2. Kizaru vs. Holy Knight
  • Does Kizaru have confirmed ACoC? NO.
  • What is absolutely required to defeat a Holy Knight? ACoC.
  • Who wins between a Holy Knight with OMEN and regeneration and Kizaru without confirmed ACoC?
  • Answer: The Holy Knight.
3. Green Bull vs. Holy Knight
  • Does Green Bull have confirmed ACoC? NO.
  • What is absolutely required to defeat a Holy Knight? ACoC.
  • Who wins between a Holy Knight with OMEN and regeneration and Green Bull without confirmed ACoC?
  • Answer: The Holy Knight.
4. Fujitora vs. Holy Knight
  • Does Fujitora have confirmed ACoC? NO.
  • What is absolutely required to defeat a Holy Knight? ACoC.
  • Who wins between a Holy Knight with OMEN and regeneration and Fujitora without confirmed ACoC?
  • Answer: The Holy Knight.
Conclusion: Until the Admirals demonstrate ACoC or another confirmed way to overcome OMEN and regeneration, claiming they can defeat the Holy Knights is pure speculation, not an established manga fact.
Flaming bagua would not even tickle sanji btw.

What will you do with this new canon info?
 

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I mean imu if wasnt immortal would've barely got up after what injured gaban did to him.... Ray should be able to knock kizaru out imo
He should be able to, but he did not for one reason or another. Maybe it's because he didn't want the bystanders to be hurt, maybe some other reason, but most likely because Oda is quite inconsistent with feats and power scaling
 
It just means zoro had progressed alot already in wano he doesn't need all these powerups sanji is getting now you guys always look at zoro from sanji lens.
No. You are looking at it through a Sanji lens. I'm looking at it from a narrative lens.

You think Oda's doing this to have Sanji play catch up to Zoro. But Oda has been developing both of them being Luffy's top enforcers that can carry him equally to Pirate King.

For how many arcs have people been saying zoro will achieve kokuto as a means to cheapen them undermine mihawk and his goal.
Zoro unlocking a Kokuto doesnt cheapen or undermine Mihawk and his goal. Y'all literally don't sound like y'all respect Mihawk yourselves for assuming Zoro should pull up to him without a Black Blade in tow.

You think Oda made Zoro give back Shisui for shits and giggles? It's to show Zoro forging one through sheer grit.

Zoro will continue honing his haki defeating top tiers admirals gorosei without ever needing a black blade because only mihawk is pushing him to that level.
Nah. Zoro is unlocking Black Blade before he fights and wins against a top tier.

He isn't gonna be able to solidly stand on footing without it. The day Zoro can defeat an Admiral in a straight up fight, he's already strong enough to beat him. Y'all scaling Mihawk way higher than the author ever put him lol.

if kokutos could be achieved so easily we would have more than two characters in the entire series with this feat. Zoro will definitely be the underdog against mihawk he is not going into that fight as his equal
Who said forming a Kokuto is easy? Are you ignoring everything Zoro's experienced? Y'all don't take Zoro seriously at all do you? I think you're neglecting the fact that most people would be dead by now and not been paying attention to how skilled Zoro is as a swordsman this far into the series lol.
 
He should be able to, but he did not for one reason or another. Maybe it's because he didn't want the bystanders to be hurt, maybe some other reason, but most likely because Oda is quite inconsistent with feats and power scaling
Yeah oda can give kizaru advcoc and logia awakening and change powerscaling next arc who knows
Scalings in the marineford were different
But we know for a fact, Rayleigh in the same arc was put on the same level of Whitebeard and Shanks which is clear cut above Kizaru.
And even by todays feats and standards, Rayleigh still has way higher portrayal than Kizaru.
 
No. You are looking at it through a Sanji lens. I'm looking at it from a narrative lens.

You think Oda's doing this to have Sanji play catch up to Zoro. But Oda has been developing both of them being Luffy's top enforcers that can carry him equally to Pirate King.



Zoro unlocking a Kokuto doesnt cheapen or undermine Mihawk and his goal. Y'all literally don't sound like y'all respect Mihawk yourselves for assuming Zoro should pull up to him without a Black Blade in tow.

You think Oda made Zoro give back Shisui for shits and giggles? It's to show Zoro forging one through sheer grit.



Nah. Zoro is unlocking Black Blade before he fights and wins against a top tier.

He isn't gonna be able to solidly stand on footing without it. The day Zoro can defeat an Admiral in a straight up fight, he's already strong enough to beat him. Y'all scaling Mihawk way higher than the author ever put him lol.



Who said forming a Kokuto is easy? Are you ignoring everything Zoro's experienced? Y'all don't take Zoro seriously at all do you? I think you're neglecting the fact that most people would be dead by now and not been paying attention to how skilled Zoro is as a swordsman this far into the series lol.
So who is Zoro gonna unlock black blade on??
 
Yeah oda can give kizaru advcoc and logia awakening and change powerscaling next arc who knows
Scalings in the marineford were different
But we know for a fact, Rayleigh in the same arc was put on the same level of Whitebeard and Shanks which is clear cut above Kizaru.
And even by todays feats and standards, Rayleigh still has way higher portrayal than Kizaru.
Admirals gonna get big benefit from powercliffing tho
 
Im ngl, i dont know what sanjis gene's situation is but if he somehow overwrites his genes and doesnt use germa like ever again he becomes 10 times more badass
Eyebrow situation is confusing, gotta wait for good translation
 
So wait..

Sanji rejected the germa buffs, or he just changed the mindset that allowed him to not care about his body?

The eyebrows are merelly an indicative of Sanji's emotional state, or they simply indicate he is using the enhancements to its full extent?

Im kinda confused... The sbs made the second option more likely im ngl
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