Powers & Abilities Pre-Wano Luffy CoA vs Zoro CoA

[PurpleSwordsman]

Lmao these people.
Still more than 10 years (?) since the arc and they still didn't get what it meant the blood in that story, it's no wonder there are moronic thinking like Mihawk > Shanks, Yonko, etc or Zoro is equal or above Luffy.
The same Luffy that was pierced by Hody, couldn't be pierced later by Doflamingo with his multiple Awakening arrows + CoA in the same place lol.
That shit with Hody was only because of plot, because Luffy needed to loss blood and Jinbei needed to show his people that the ancient law about blood transfusions with humans was outdated, that's all. Luffy has not a weak Haki there, plot made his Haki weak there.

And the stuff with Bellamy and why he was able to damage Luffy, Rayleigh statement is self explanatory:
"Haki" is a power that lies dormant in all the world's creatures... "Presence", "fighting spirit" and "intimidation"... It is not different from the things that humans can naturally sense such as these... 'The act of not doubting'. That is strength!

Nice try Zoriliebers! Maybe next time!

 

[sanjikun]

Tbf specializing in 1 haki more than another doesn't automatically make it stronger than someone who specializes in a different one

And i don't think either zoro or sanji have shown overall better haki than luffy

Most of rayleighs training was specifically dedicated to teaching luffy haki off the bat too with it being his main focus

I understand the "specialization doesn't automatically mean stronger" argument, but that's only part of the argument. The other part is Luffy admitting his Haki still had a lot of work to do.

It's been mentioned over and over that before Udon, Luffy's Haki was quite basic.

To say Zoro, who specializes in CoA, has weaker Haki than a guy whose grasp of CoA was very basic, makes no sense. If you were talking about Zoro vs. an Admiral like Fujitora who probably specializes in CoO (given that he uses it 24/7), then yeah that argument wouldn't hold up.

Most of rayleighs training was specifically dedicated to teaching luffy haki off the bat too with it being his main focus

Rayleigh specifically mentioned Luffy has to find out which Haki he's good at, as everyone is different.

 

[Zowo]

zoro with ez

 

[MD25]

Gthoh Luffy easy clap.
And here comes another guy mentionning Hody again, that's hilarious, at this point it's a sickness. Why didn't Zorro Haki up against Killer and taked that attack ? These are all outliers. Doffy even blitzed could put Haki on his cheek to not get one shotted by G4 Luffy. no. Luffy fought Doflamingo the guy that has nigh infinite cutting power , can Zorro dish out more cutting power than Doffy ? Anyone who says yes is fooling themselves Doffy does not even have to use Haki to dwarf Zorro in cutting power and Luffy completly no sold him with base Haki alone. I am not saying Zorro is far from Doffy, no but Doffy's power is far more casual, Zorro can't replicate DF awakening levels of power right now, maybe when he masters Enma and his ahura. Doffy had to go all out to even dent Luffy's Haki even in base. Imagine using Katakuri to hype up Zorro, let's just skip straight to the strongest person we've fought yet outside of Yonko stop this. And also imagine using base Luffy feat against it and not Boundman which still shattered it and matched up with it no problem. If anything the fact that Katakuri had to use advanced Haki to hurt Luffy's punch but couldn't crush it but simply make i feel some pain shows how rididuclous Luffy's Haki is. Luffy surely has stronger Haki than him because in Boundman he does not feel anything even though he is not using advanced Haki so just that change was enough to offset it completely. I mean if one wanted to wank Luffy , Luffy would reach above toon level, even his opponents would benefit from that scaling.
Luffy's Haki and raw power are way above Zorro's. Zorro had Ryou, maybe that helps him break Luffy's Haki with surprise shots or favorable mecanism between Ryou and to the body Haki mhe would probably dominate base Luffy because of ryou ( even though Luffy even in base could make it very hard for Zorro to cut him) but that would only be cheap shots for the most part, like at best what Cracker did when Luffy one shotted his Biscuit, one could argue that was ryou mecanism against base Haki or that Cracker had such busted COA either way he still failed at the end to give real damage to Luffy. But as far as legit power of Haki Luffy is leagues above even back then now it's not even close of a debate , and that's because Luffy has better control of his Haki now and he managed to get even stronger in the same breath, this is why Oda gave Zorro Enma to attempt at catching up to Luffy's Haki.
Also Rayleigh said Luffy need to specialize in all three Haki. And he wouldn' have allowed Luffy to leave without Ryou which is way more efficient way of using Haki if Luffy's power level didn't satisfy him.

 

[Zowo]

vs

pica s haki>>bellamy who break luffys haki with ez
zoro would cu trough luffy s haki like butter

Lets not forget he tamed enma in seconds something scabbards couldn t and they have better haki than wci luffy

 

[MD25]

And here comes another guy posting Bellamy. Just funny. Stop spamming the thread when Zorro gets any good feats against piercing power or cutting power of the level of Doffy which he never will you can come back. Cutting Pica's Haki a walking joke of a character who literally fights by running away isn't a feat. Cutting haki less material isn't either. Pica had no chance there. Even Zorro said how the hell did you think you could be an opponent for my captain.
Posts Dressrossa pics fails to show Zorro failing to stop birdcage and Luffy punching through God thread and no selling countless awakened techniques of Doffy's with base Haki please and without using cutting or piercing attacks of his own. We already know Zorro could cheat by using advanced Haki techniques ( which is just a skill it does not tell about the power level of the Haki) Pica the dude that runs away, uses massive constructs to be strong has better Haki than Bellamy ? Questionable. Luffy was not even at 1% conflicted and that was drama. Imagine characters with no Conqueror's Haki being able to tame anything better than character with ridiculou Conqueoror's Haki feats, that failed to stop the birdcage ( I know it's unfair but sike( having better Haki than WCI Luffy. Taming Enma is nothing to Luffy. Luffy would just hold it and the sword would remain silent. Also we still don't know if he tamed it.

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

And here comes another guy posting Bellamy. Just funny. Stop spamming the thread when Zorro gets any good feats against piercing power or cutting power of the level of Doffy which he never will you can come back. Cutting Pica's Haki a walking joke of a character who literally fights by running away isn't a feat. Cutting haki less material isn't either. Pica had no chance there. Even Zorro said how the hell did you think you could be an opponent for my captain.
Posts Dressrossa pics fails to show Zorro failing to stop birdcage and Luffy punching through God thread and no selling countless awakened techniques of Doffy's with base Haki please and without using cutting or piercing attacks of his own. We already know Zorro could cheat by using advanced Haki techniques ( which is just a skill it does not tell about the power level of the Haki) Pica the dude that runs away, uses massive constructs to be strong has better Haki than Bellamy ? Questionable. Luffy was not even at 1% conflicted and that was drama. Imagine characters with no Conqueror's Haki being able to tame anything better than character with ridiculou Conqueoror's Haki feats, that failed to stop the birdcage ( I know it's unfair but sike( having better Haki than WCI Luffy. Taming Enma is nothing to Luffy. Luffy would just hold it and the sword would remain silent. Also we still don't know if he tamed it.

dude u didn't answer shit u are just spamming around the same shit lmao

 

[MD25]

dude u didn't answer shit u are just spamming around the same shit lmao

Here comes another Hody Bellamy fellow, go talk to Hawkins nails and that fox and Kamazou.

 

[Tripod]

dude u didn't answer shit u are just spamming around the same shit lmao

Yo didn’t u post a panel where Pica said his haki was harder than stone?? Like that shits super rare? Lol

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

Here comes another Hody Bellamy fellow, go talk to Hawkins nails and that fox and Kamazou.

panel he used haki ? if u don't have it don't spam ur headcanons around like clown .

bellamy coa vs luffy coa >>> luffy got broken .
Pica FAB ( which said it can withstand a mountain cutting force ) vs Zoro coa >>> no scratches on his sword .

Go back when u understand this

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Yo didn’t u post a panel where Pica said his haki was harder than stone?? Like that shits super rare? Lol

same for u go back to understand it

panel he used haki ? if u don't have it don't spam ur headcanons around like clown .

bellamy coa vs luffy coa >>> luffy got broken .
Pica FAB ( which said it can withstand a mountain cutting force ) vs Zoro coa >>> no scratches on his sword .

Go back when u understand this

 

[Geo]

Look closer Zoro's group have citizens and Bartolomeo's group have too.
Moreover they are in the opposite place from each other.
If they don't push with CoA what do you think they are using. Bartolomeo's barrier is invincible, Kairoseki is very hard.
Do you think Dressrora is entirely made with Kairoseki ?

You just keep proving that I shouldn't take you seriously. You see in the panel gladiators who have haki deciding to push Bart's Barrier but you think ordinary citizens who have no haki weds actually pushing the BC raw.... ridiculous.

They don't try to block an attack because :
First it's ain't an attack
Second : They just try to slow it down no to stop it
Third : Even injured fodders were able to put pressure on it.

Explain why Fujitora didn't create this shockwawe ? Kinemon ? Kanjuro and so on ?

Imagine thinking BC is not an attack when it is powetful enough to cut plateaus easily.

I've already explained. Zoro actually added force to block indicated by the massive shockwave whiles the rest just pushed

Luffy overpowering Rayleigh's CoA too
So Luffy's CoA >Rayleigh's CoA>>>>>>Zoro's Coa

Ok...

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Zoro:
> Confirmed Oden level haki since postskip (Tames Enma)
> Confirmed using haki flow back in Alabasta.
> Confirmed shooting haki slashes back in PH ( vs Monet) something current Kinemon just unlocked (who is confirmed to be using Oden level Ryou by Kaido)
>Haki pool from his arm alone able to change coastlines.
>Never had his haki broken
> Haki strong enough to resist mountain cutting force.

Luffy:
>Breaks haki against Hody
> Hakified head only string enough to dent Iron shield( Fishman Island)
> Haki broken by Bellamy , Doffy, Katakuri.
> His haki is stronger than Cracker's though ( Cracker with his biscuit sword couldn't cut Luffy even once....he only managed to cut Luffy because of his special sword sharpness)
> Gets his haki broken by Ulti
> Easily blocked with Barrier haki from Yamato ( Yamato had access to Oden's journals which should have extensive haki information so it is no surprise)

 

[MD25]

panel he used haki ? if u don't have it don't spam ur headcanons around like clown .

bellamy coa vs luffy coa >>> luffy got broken .
Pica FAB ( which said it can withstand a mountain cutting force ) vs Zoro coa >>> no scratches on his sword .

Go back when u understand this

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same for u go back to understand it

Are you saying Doffy who offscreened parasited Bellamy with one string and no sold Law who has way better COA breaking feat as he cut through full COA of Vergo not a joke like Pica has weaker Haki or power than Bellamy ? What kind of powercaling is this ? Sit it. You're a spam. Pica's Haki does not scale above the mountain he is only saying the potency of Haki is far greater than some stone forgetting that it does not matter becaus whoever has the stronger Haki is the one who wins his Haki being more durable than his strone was irrelevant there, someone who relies on that stone to be strong couldn't have had that good of Haki.
All you've done is post irrelevant outliers from the same arc too, failed to show the real relevant feats. Also this is not pre WCI but Wano. The reason why is because Luffy has now advanced Haki and is not on the same tier as commanders anymore but poised to rival Admiral even Yonko. Even the title of the topic answers the question itself. If you're going to post feats from Dressrossa post the relevant feats. He used Haki against the birdcage failed to cut it, with the help of countless top tiers failed to stop it moving it an inch. He is a fodder compared to Doffy's cutting power, Doffy destroys him. Forget about him rivaling Luffy in COA or scaling anywhere near the characters that came after who with their Haki alone let alone their DF can replicate the full power of Doffy. Luffy beat 3 commander level people, who had advanced Haki , with no advanced Haki. A Zorro with advanced Haki will struggle to beat Commander level but you want to compare his COA to Luffy's ? Siit it troll. You're a waste of our time. A please don't answer to me by the way.
I am not here for silly back and forth.

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Luffy had stronger Haki, Zorro better control. That's the answer.

 

[M944]

You just keep proving that I shouldn't take you seriously. You see in the panel gladiators who have haki deciding to push Bart's Barrier but you think ordinary citizens who have no haki weds actually pushing the BC raw.... ridiculous.

They have citizens or not ?
Don't reject manga facts.

Imagine thinking BC is not an attack when it is powetful enough to cut plateaus easily.

Saying birdcage is an attack is like saying Mr3 wax was also an attack. It's a trap you put it and you wait. No need to control it.
It does all by itself.

I've already explained. Zoro actually added force to block indicated by the massive shockwave whiles the rest just pushed

He tried to attack it but he failed. Everyone tried to push it they didn't have this shockwawe. Kinemon said it's not the kind of thing you can push back.
Now if you think he tried to block it. We have seen Luffy overpowered Doffy thread a lot of times and those thread were imbued with Haki so >>Birdcage.
Thus we have Luffy CoA>>Zoro CoA

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

Are you saying Doffy who offscreened parasited Bellamy with one string and no sold Law who has way better COA breaking feat as he cut through full COA of Vergo not a joke like Pica has weaker Haki or power than Bellamy ? What kind of powercaling is this ? Sit it. You're a spam. Pica's Haki does not scale above the mountain he is only saying the potency of Haki is far greater than some stone forgetting that it does not matter becaus whoever has the stronger Haki is the one who wins his Haki being more durable than his strone was irrelevant there, someone who relies on that stone to be strong couldn't have had that good of Haki.
All you've done is post irrelevant outliers from the same arc too, failed to show the real relevant feats. Also this is not pre WCI but Wano. The reason why is because Luffy has now advanced Haki and is not on the same tier as commanders anymore but poised to rival Admiral even Yonko. Even the title of the topic answers the question itself. If you're going to post feats from Dressrossa post the relevant feats. He used Haki against the birdcage failed to cut it, with the help of countless top tiers failed to stop it moving it an inch. He is a fodder compared to Doffy's cutting power, Doffy destroys him. Forget about him rivaling Luffy in COA or scaling anywhere near the characters that came after who with their Haki alone can replicate the full power of Doffy. Luffy beat 3 commander level people, who had advanced Haki , with no advanced Haki. Zorro with advanced Haki will struggle to beat Commander level but you want to compare his COA to Luffy's ?

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Luffy had stronger Haki, Zorro better control. That's the answer.

yeah pica is weak give me a portrayal like what oda drew for pica in the panels below so u said belamy haki is stronger than pica is that ur excuse i don't recall bellamy coa hyped to withstand a mountain cutting force + or at least having any hype related to it if u have bring it out instead of ur headcanon

- Vergo CoA is better than Pica Coa why ? because i want that
while :

Loool i have twl things to prove his Coa is stronger than his golem and its durability :

Spoiler: VC

on top of having golem df ; to get stronger he trained his haki hard to be able to coat his whole body = he has his golem df which makes him stronger but to get stronger than that he trained his haki hard to the point of him being superior to his past self user of golem df and that's what he implied after using FAB against Zoro .

Spoiler: Pica

▪ Then what you got for streussen then @Shiroyru

- dude u are delusional lmao Pica said literaly his CoA durability > Golem durability do i need to explain this to u ? pica saw Zoro used nameless slashes to cut his Golem and he knows his strength and said the force to cut his golem ( mountain ) wouldn't do nothing against him when he claded himself with CoA .

- Give me a panel that shows he tried to cut the birdcage let me help u better than that .

I'm talking to ppl who said zoro couldn't cut the birdcage you can see what he said in the manga before speaking about it
《The only time we can breathe a sigh of relief is when the Cage disappears for Good. The fact that it's still up is proof that the One man we need to beat is still standing ... 》= It means the cage wouldn't disappear if you didn't take Doffy down even if you could cut it .
So When Zoro didn't try to cut it was the Right decision Because it wouldn't disappear after cutting it with Doffy was still standing .
Ppl claim that Zoro is dumb but ppl who think he couldn't cut the Cage without him even trying that is dumber than him lmao .

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- three commanders with adv haki what headcanon is that the only one who showed an adv Haki is kuri with FS again u use just headcanons .

- luffy from hody to ulti got his coa broken and even doffy got his coa broken from a no coated no graded sword Zoro coated sword didn't get scratched against Pica's CoA which is above hody and the likes of bellamy

 

[Geo]

They have citizens or not ?
Don't reject manga facts.

You don't know what manga fact is

Saying birdcage is an attack is like saying Mr3 wax was also an attack. It's a trap you put it and you wait. No need to control it.
It does all by itself.

Was the wax destroying buildings and plateaus?

He tried to attack it but he failed.

Keep up the headcanon.

 

[Zowo]

And here comes another guy posting Bellamy. Just funny. Stop spamming the thread when Zorro gets any good feats against piercing power or cutting power of the level of Doffy which he never will you can come back. Cutting Pica's Haki a walking joke of a character who literally fights by running away isn't a feat. Cutting haki less material isn't either. Pica had no chance there. Even Zorro said how the hell did you think you could be an opponent for my captain.
Posts Dressrossa pics fails to show Zorro failing to stop birdcage and Luffy punching through God thread and no selling countless awakened techniques of Doffy's with base Haki please and without using cutting or piercing attacks of his own. We already know Zorro could cheat by using advanced Haki techniques ( which is just a skill it does not tell about the power level of the Haki) Pica the dude that runs away, uses massive constructs to be strong has better Haki than Bellamy ? Questionable. Luffy was not even at 1% conflicted and that was drama. Imagine characters with no Conqueror's Haki being able to tame anything better than character with ridiculou Conqueoror's Haki feats, that failed to stop the birdcage ( I know it's unfair but sike( having better Haki than WCI Luffy. Taming Enma is nothing to Luffy. Luffy would just hold it and the sword would remain silent. Also we still don't know if he tamed it.

punching trough god thread has nothing to do with haki it was the strenght of kkg mate zoro s haki shit s on pre wano luffy

no one reads ur shit

 

[Albino 👑]

I understand the "specialization doesn't automatically mean stronger" argument, but that's only part of the argument. The other part is Luffy admitting his Haki still had a lot of work to do.

It's been mentioned over and over that before Udon, Luffy's Haki was quite basic.

To say Zoro, who specializes in CoA, has weaker Haki than a guy whose grasp of CoA was very basic, makes no sense. If you were talking about Zoro vs. an Admiral like Fujitora who probably specializes in CoO (given that he uses it 24/7), then yeah that argument wouldn't hold up.



Rayleigh specifically mentioned Luffy has to find out which Haki he's good at, as everyone is different.

Luffys haki was basic in the sense he only used the basic application of it. Basic not meaning the haki itself was weak

Like luffy couldn't apply his haki the same as the kuja tribe, marigold, vergo, or just most weapon users that can coat it. Mainly because he wasn't taught those applications not that his haki is weaker

Unlike luffy zoro doesn't need to apply haki to his body to defend himself most the time because he has his swords to help him with that. If zoro took the attacks luffy has with them i don't think hes doin that good

When it comes to his haki vs haki feats against other characters all we know is he had stronger haki than pica and apoo was able to stop one of his attacks

 

[Zowo]

Luffys haki was basic in the sense he only used the basic application of it. Basic not meaning the haki itself was weak

Like luffy couldn't apply his haki the same as the kuja tribe, marigold, vergo, or just most weapon users that can coat it. Mainly because he wasn't taught those applications not that his haki is weaker

Unlike luffy zoro doesn't need to apply haki to his body to defend himself most the time because he has his swords to help him with that. If zoro took the attacks luffy has with them i don't think hes doin that good

When it comes to his haki vs haki feats against other characters all we know is he had stronger haki than pica and apoo was able to stop one of his attacks

apoo shit is another mihawk vs daz bones moment zoro intented to cut apoo not his weapon
zoro s haki was better than luffy s pre wano if bellamy could punch trough it zoro would cut trough luffy s haki with ez

 

[Albino 👑]

apoo shit is another mihawk vs daz bones moment zoro intented to cut apoo not his weapon
zoro s haki was better than luffy s pre wano if bellamy could punch trough it zoro would cut trough luffy s haki with ez

Doesn't make either feat from apoo or daz less legit

If zoro was put in that situation without his swords hes having a worse time

 

[BakiDou]

Do guys rly compare, Luffy vs Doffly, Craker, Katakuri and Zoro vs Pica....
Give it a rest will ya, let zoro have a decent enemy first before comparing those things.
Ofc your haki looks better if you have just shit enemies.