Questions & Mysteries Who beat Kaido's ass?
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That doesn't make any sense because you have to apply warped logic to it which convolutes something that is meant to be as straight forward as possible.
When Luffy coated his sandals in Haki it was to stop Doflamingo from cutting him. Not for Oda to showcase Luffy was using Haki under his sandals, which are apparently so durable, Doffy can't cut through them.
When Luffy coated his sandals in Haki it was to stop Doflamingo from cutting him. Not for Oda to showcase Luffy was using Haki under his sandals, which are apparently so durable, Doffy can't cut through them.
Obviously it was Mihawk, who else ? Mihawk is the epitome of MASTERY while Kaido embodies BRUTE STRENGTH.
Here is a glimpse of a fight between them : Mihawk uses the force Kaido deploys in each of his attacks to turn it against Kaido himself !
By doing this, he manages to defeat Kaido without leaving any scar since he never needed to attack him directly to beat him.
After all, he's not the kind of man who would go all out just to hunt a mere rabbit (or should I say ... a fish)
Here is a glimpse of a fight between them : Mihawk uses the force Kaido deploys in each of his attacks to turn it against Kaido himself !
By doing this, he manages to defeat Kaido without leaving any scar since he never needed to attack him directly to beat him.
After all, he's not the kind of man who would go all out just to hunt a mere rabbit (or should I say ... a fish)
Because Oda said that was the case for Devil Fruits. You can't just apply that logic to Haki, when there is a literal explanation how objects can be coated in haki. Taking a concept of something else, and twisting it into another concept that already has an explanation is convoluted as all hell.
I'm talking shit, but you have no clue what you're talking about as usual. Just making shit up over there to suit your narrative.
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I'm talking shit, but you have no clue what you're talking about as usual. Just making shit up over there to suit your narrative.
So let me get it straight ... You see this panel here and instead of considering Luffy's sandals as his body extension,somehow it is a different object?
And yes there is an explanation for infusing your haki in a weapon and it is through the flow. Luffy couldn't use his flow outside of his body,once again showing that clothes are part of one's body.
Hyogoro mentioning,that it allows the user not to cut anything with this ability clearly indicates it is the so called "barrier haki" ,so yes Zoro usage's and Luffy's had differrent procedure till Luffy learned to use it on Wano.
Clothes and Weapons are not the same.
And yes there is an explanation for infusing your haki in a weapon and it is through the flow. Luffy couldn't use his flow outside of his body,once again showing that clothes are part of one's body.
Hyogoro mentioning,that it allows the user not to cut anything with this ability clearly indicates it is the so called "barrier haki" ,so yes Zoro usage's and Luffy's had differrent procedure till Luffy learned to use it on Wano.
Clothes and Weapons are not the same.
So let me get it straight ... You see this panel here and instead of considering Luffy's sandals as his body extension,somehow it is a different object?
And yes there is an explanation for infusing your haki in a weapon and it is through the flow. Luffy couldn't use his flow outside of his body,once again showing that clothes are part of one's body.
Hyogoro mentioning,that it allows the user not to cut anything with this ability clearly indicates it is the so called "barrier haki" ,so yes Zoro usage's and Luffy's had differrent procedure till Luffy learned to use it on Wano.
Clothes and Weapons are not the same.
And yes there is an explanation for infusing your haki in a weapon and it is through the flow. Luffy couldn't use his flow outside of his body,once again showing that clothes are part of one's body.
Hyogoro mentioning,that it allows the user not to cut anything with this ability clearly indicates it is the so called "barrier haki" ,so yes Zoro usage's and Luffy's had differrent procedure till Luffy learned to use it on Wano.
Clothes and Weapons are not the same.
Haki coating is an actual thing in the manga. Not some half assed explanation Oda thought of on the fly when people questioned why clothes aren't affected by devil fruits.
Doflamingos strings cut through stone and steel like butter, and he can easily slice a person's limbs off, yet we are supposed to believe that Luffys sandals are made of some Uber material that can't be cut by something that powerful? Cmon bruh... It's clear as day they were coated in haki.
What? Nobody said they weren't coated in haki though?? What I keep telling you is that they are coated in a different way than Weapons in hardening. The Clothing doesn't count as a foreign body like the weapons are. That simple.
From the beginning the same non-convuluted thing.
Concerning the subject in hand of who beat Kaidou's ass. I am going to say,just forget Oda wrote that shit.
It makes no sense whatsoever. He faced the Yonkou yet his ass wasn't impaled? Which Yonkou he faced and was captured if Wb and Linlin haven't seen him in decades? All from Shanks? Then he would be the WSC since his rise is recent enough.
The defeats also didn't come before he gained his fruit,since they are all about the torture he could withstood.
From the beginning the same non-convuluted thing.
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Concerning the subject in hand of who beat Kaidou's ass. I am going to say,just forget Oda wrote that shit.
It makes no sense whatsoever. He faced the Yonkou yet his ass wasn't impaled? Which Yonkou he faced and was captured if Wb and Linlin haven't seen him in decades? All from Shanks? Then he would be the WSC since his rise is recent enough.
The defeats also didn't come before he gained his fruit,since they are all about the torture he could withstood.
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Most of Kaido's defeats probably happened during his formative years, before he came to Wano, for example. He was only the Cabin Boy during the Rocks days, so he was likely not that prominent a threat yet. He's only mentioned in regards to those old days because he's notorious in the present.
Kaido's fruit is very likely based on the Koi fish in japanese mythology. They were said to have failed several times before ultimately getting over the waterfall and becoming a dragon. Kaido's climb to the top likely reflects that legend.
Kaido's fruit is very likely based on the Koi fish in japanese mythology. They were said to have failed several times before ultimately getting over the waterfall and becoming a dragon. Kaido's climb to the top likely reflects that legend.
You do realize that Hardening and invisible Haki isn't the same thing right? Applying Hardening to something, is completely different than flowing invisible Haki into it. When Luffy is training, we see him already Hardening his hand, and Hyogoro is telling him to let the Haki flow into his fist, which is already coated in hardening. We then see swirl patterns take form around Luffy's fist, which indicates invisible Haki.
Next we see the first panel, is normal hardening, the second panel, is invisible haki flowing into Luffy's hands.
With Rayleigh and the Boa sisters, they don't even use hardening with it. It's just invisible haki. Same thing with Kinemon and Kiku...
No hardening, just invisible Haki.
So please tell me, since you so adamantly want to argue that Ryou is a very specific Haki type, and not just the universal terminology for Haki in Wano. What pray tell, do they call Armament Haki then?
Next we see the first panel, is normal hardening, the second panel, is invisible haki flowing into Luffy's hands.
With Rayleigh and the Boa sisters, they don't even use hardening with it. It's just invisible haki. Same thing with Kinemon and Kiku...
No hardening, just invisible Haki.
So please tell me, since you so adamantly want to argue that Ryou is a very specific Haki type, and not just the universal terminology for Haki in Wano. What pray tell, do they call Armament Haki then?
You do realize that Hardening and invisible Haki isn't the same thing right? Applying Hardening to something, is completely different than flowing invisible Haki into it. When Luffy is training, we see him already Hardening his hand, and Hyogoro is telling him to let the Haki flow into his fist, which is already coated in hardening. We then see swirl patterns take form around Luffy's fist, which indicates invisible Haki.
Next we see the first panel, is normal hardening, the second panel, is invisible haki flowing into Luffy's hands.
With Rayleigh and the Boa sisters, they don't even use hardening with it. It's just invisible haki. Same thing with Kinemon and Kiku...
No hardening, just invisible Haki.
So please tell me, since you so adamantly want to argue that Ryou is a very specific Haki type, and not just the universal terminology for Haki in Wano. What pray tell, do they call Armament Haki then?
Next we see the first panel, is normal hardening, the second panel, is invisible haki flowing into Luffy's hands.
With Rayleigh and the Boa sisters, they don't even use hardening with it. It's just invisible haki. Same thing with Kinemon and Kiku...
No hardening, just invisible Haki.
So please tell me, since you so adamantly want to argue that Ryou is a very specific Haki type, and not just the universal terminology for Haki in Wano. What pray tell, do they call Armament Haki then?
when enma flows zoros haki into it it turns black
when zoro takes it back it isnt black anymore
enma also fires haki out to cut the cliff ala ryou and has haki flowing in and out of the sword
just like it was over flowing in dressrosa
I think it's pretty much Kaido walks or fly into MF/Impel Down/other Yonko bases when he's drunk and then get himself knocked out by the alcohol he's drinking instead of him actually getting captured, then when he woke up, he just fly away back to Onigashima as if nothing happened
Oda is basically Morgans at this point
Oda is basically Morgans at this point
Sure thing, Haki does the same exact thing devil fruits do, even though Haki has an actual inverse explanation for it. If you say so....
when enma flows zoros haki into it it turns black
when zoro takes it back it isnt black anymore
enma also fires haki out to cut the cliff ala ryou and has haki flowing in and out of the sword
just like it was over flowing in dressrosa
That doesn't change the fact that Hardening and Invisible Haki are two different things. Luffy uses hardening, and we see him flowing invisible Haki into his fist. The hardening was already there prior to that. Ryou = the term for Haki in Wano. It's not some special offshoot. Hardening in Wano = Ryou. Invisible Haki in Wano = Ryou.
Luffy applying Hardening to his shoes is not the same as flowing invisible Haki into his fist, and exploding it out of his fist.
Not everyone with Ryou (Haki) can injure Kaido, because it takes a certain level to do so.
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when enma flows zoros haki into it it turns black
when zoro takes it back it isnt black anymore
enma also fires haki out to cut the cliff ala ryou and has haki flowing in and out of the sword
just like it was over flowing in dressrosa
Luffy applying Hardening to his shoes is not the same as flowing invisible Haki into his fist, and exploding it out of his fist.
Not everyone with Ryou (Haki) can injure Kaido, because it takes a certain level to do so.
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