Do you really think that all the old fellas forgot about Xebec? Why would you talk about someone who is dead having someone like Roger reaching Raftel? Everyone that had any kind of relationship with him ended up being a great pirate by themselves, obscuring where they came from. Who remembers...
Compared to that, Oden was clever :milaugh:
I liked how Rocks told Loki why his dad won't join him though.
Rocks should have shown him what the WG is, it would disuade him way more than any talk
Zoro's role isn't a role per se, every pirate is a combatant, other question would be about who does better in their roles and who could be replaced easier.
Probably Luffy is the worst captain in the whole series, but he's also irreplaceable in terms of strength and as a character story wise...
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