Powers & Abilities Maybe this is a hot take but Zoro has better CoO than Sanji. If anyone can post Sanji CoO feats that are better than Zoros I’ll concede.
Thank you for demonstrating your inability to read rhetoric, common inability had among low IQ individuals
Again...let us consider the implications of Luffy's CoC > Zoros CoC being implied in the SBS and in canon-feats and portrayal
This sets a precedent for the SBS designating specialties to the Monster Trio based on who is best at what
Therefore for the rest of the specializations it is implied that as Luffys CoC > Zoros, Zoros CoA must necessarily be > Sanjis, Sanjis CoO > Zoros
Again...let us consider the implications of Luffy's CoC > Zoros CoC being implied in the SBS and in canon-feats and portrayal
This sets a precedent for the SBS designating specialties to the Monster Trio based on who is best at what
Therefore for the rest of the specializations it is implied that as Luffys CoC > Zoros, Zoros CoA must necessarily be > Sanjis, Sanjis CoO > Zoros
Thank you for demonstrating your inability to read rhetoric, common inability had among low IQ individuals
U literally created an entire roller coaster to the question I asked
Sanji is supposed to specialise in coo so shouldn’t that make his coo superior than luffy’s according to ur standard ?
Or is luffy an exception now
Considering how hard u tried to deflect my question I don’t think u really have a good answer other than exposing urself as a hypocrite
Poor argument, all of Sanji's abilities tie into his passion and love including Diable Jambe, and including his heightened sense perceptions when women are in danger
Not to mention he has several CoO feats akin to the ones involving women that do not involve women
Here, let me fire a shotgun's volley of them
Sanji CoO sensing a sniper 16 meters high, this alone shows his unique aptitude, not merely dodging the bullet but locating it's origin instantly before it is fired
Your argument was that Sanji's best is CoO, but that doesn't mean his is better than Zoros
My argument was, you could say the same for Zoro, the SBS saying he is best at CoA but this doesn't mean his is any better than Sanjis, using your own logic
But your logic is flawed and just as Zoros CoA > Sanji, Sanji CoO > Zoro
It seems we are met with an impasse
Luffy's CoO > Zoros, obviously. Does this mean Zoros CoA > Luffy, Sanji, and Sanji's CoO > Zoro, Luffy?
we are left with 2 interpretations
Either Luffy's Conquerors is actually > Zoros, as well as Luffys CoA and CoO > Zoro and Sanjis; Zoro CoA > Sanji and Sanji CoO > Zoros
OR
All of them specialize in their haki but no statement is made on who's best at what, meaning it's implied Luffy doesn't have better CoC than Zoro, Zoro doesn't have better Coa than Sanji, Sanji doesn't have better CoO than Zoros
The former is the correct interpretation.
Not to mention he has several CoO feats akin to the ones involving women that do not involve women
Here, let me fire a shotgun's volley of them
Sanji CoO sensing a sniper 16 meters high, this alone shows his unique aptitude, not merely dodging the bullet but locating it's origin instantly before it is fired
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Your argument was that Sanji's best is CoO, but that doesn't mean his is better than Zoros
My argument was, you could say the same for Zoro, the SBS saying he is best at CoA but this doesn't mean his is any better than Sanjis, using your own logic
But your logic is flawed and just as Zoros CoA > Sanji, Sanji CoO > Zoro
It seems we are met with an impasse
Luffy's CoO > Zoros, obviously. Does this mean Zoros CoA > Luffy, Sanji, and Sanji's CoO > Zoro, Luffy?
we are left with 2 interpretationsEither Luffy's Conquerors is actually > Zoros, as well as Luffys CoA and CoO > Zoro and Sanjis; Zoro CoA > Sanji and Sanji CoO > Zoros
OR
All of them specialize in their haki but no statement is made on who's best at what, meaning it's implied Luffy doesn't have better CoC than Zoro, Zoro doesn't have better Coa than Sanji, Sanji doesn't have better CoO than Zoros
The former is the correct interpretation.
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Poor argument, all of Sanji's abilities tie into his passion and love including Diable Jambe, and including his heightened sense perceptions when women are in danger
Not to mention he has several CoO feats akin to the ones involving women that do not involve women
Here, let me fire a shotgun's volley of them
Sanji CoO sensing a sniper 16 meters high, this alone shows his unique aptitude, not merely dodging the bullet but locating it's origin instantly before it is fired
Not to mention he has several CoO feats akin to the ones involving women that do not involve women
Here, let me fire a shotgun's volley of them
Sanji CoO sensing a sniper 16 meters high, this alone shows his unique aptitude, not merely dodging the bullet but locating it's origin instantly before it is fired
I'm saying the argument fails on both fronts
1.) All his abilties tie into his passion, including DJ, so why don't we just discount all his DJ feats alongside his CoO feats?
2.) He has many CoO feats that don't involve his passion, for example finding Kinemon in the middle of the ocean or sensing a sniper 16 meters above. These are sensory CoO feats that we simply have not seen in such size or degree from Zoro because CoO is not his specialty
1.) All his abilties tie into his passion, including DJ, so why don't we just discount all his DJ feats alongside his CoO feats?
2.) He has many CoO feats that don't involve his passion, for example finding Kinemon in the middle of the ocean or sensing a sniper 16 meters above. These are sensory CoO feats that we simply have not seen in such size or degree from Zoro because CoO is not his specialty
Show me something superior to Sanji locating an object at the bottom of the ocean
Nothing tops this particular feat. Zoro can't even find his way out of a forest, he's too much of a meathead which CoO specialists tend not to be
Nothing tops this particular feat. Zoro can't even find his way out of a forest, he's too much of a meathead which CoO specialists tend not to be
Again I shouldn't have to prove Sanji's CoO being better when he specializes in it, but since you insist here is more
16 yards ABOVE, Sanji senses and intercepts. Zoro has shown average combat CoO but this is advanced sensory haki
16 yards ABOVE, Sanji senses and intercepts. Zoro has shown average combat CoO but this is advanced sensory haki
It's not a gag. Are you trying to say just anyone can do this? Lol
So in the SBS, Oda giving Luffy specialization in CoC wasn't an admission that Luffy was better at CoC than Zoro?
Again you're adding nuance where it does not exist to drive an agenda
Most Sanji fans such as myself will admit Zoro is better with CoA since obviously, Oda had him specialize in this and granted him feats to prove it. Yet Zoro fans arrogantly won't do the same and will just call Sanji sensing a guy, locating and kicking a guy 16 meters ABOVE him, a gag
So in the SBS, Oda giving Luffy specialization in CoC wasn't an admission that Luffy was better at CoC than Zoro?
Again you're adding nuance where it does not exist to drive an agenda
Most Sanji fans such as myself will admit Zoro is better with CoA since obviously, Oda had him specialize in this and granted him feats to prove it. Yet Zoro fans arrogantly won't do the same and will just call Sanji sensing a guy, locating and kicking a guy 16 meters ABOVE him, a gag
It's not a gag. Are you trying to say just anyone can do this? Lol
So in the SBS, Oda giving Luffy specialization in CoC wasn't an admission that Luffy was better at CoC than Zoro?
Again you're adding nuance where it does not exist to drive an agenda
Most Sanji fans such as myself will admit Zoro is better with CoA since obviously, Oda had him specialize in this and granted him feats to prove it. Yet Zoro fans arrogantly won't do the same and will just call Sanji sensing a guy, locating and kicking a guy 16 meters ABOVE him, a gag
So in the SBS, Oda giving Luffy specialization in CoC wasn't an admission that Luffy was better at CoC than Zoro?
Again you're adding nuance where it does not exist to drive an agenda
Most Sanji fans such as myself will admit Zoro is better with CoA since obviously, Oda had him specialize in this and granted him feats to prove it. Yet Zoro fans arrogantly won't do the same and will just call Sanji sensing a guy, locating and kicking a guy 16 meters ABOVE him, a gag
I’ll admit Sanji is faster than Zoro because he has better speed feats. This isn’t a Zorofan vs Sanjifan thing it’s a one has the feats and the other doesn’t.
If Sanji does something to show his CoO is better than Zoros then I’ll gladly admit it.
@Germinator You have been saying that Zoro has no worthy coo feats here are a few :
- Zoro locates real Pica before Luffy who was busy going for the decoy...this was before FS upgrade
- Zoro stops Batman's attack saving Tsuru's life while Luffy was busy getting shocked...this was aftwr FS upgrade
- Zoro sees Hakai before or at least at the same time as 4 other SNs but reacts faster.
Many other instances of Zoro ''sensing'' stuff scathered through out the manga but you chose to ignore them somehow.
- Zoro locates real Pica before Luffy who was busy going for the decoy...this was before FS upgrade
- Zoro stops Batman's attack saving Tsuru's life while Luffy was busy getting shocked...this was aftwr FS upgrade
- Zoro sees Hakai before or at least at the same time as 4 other SNs but reacts faster.
Many other instances of Zoro ''sensing'' stuff scathered through out the manga but you chose to ignore them somehow.
How is stopping Batman's attack any more impressive than the litany of attacks Sanji has intercepted post timeskip, such as the jellybean, Kizarus Laser and most recently Ghandi mid-swing?
Zoro reacting to Hakai first is just incorrect, Killer had reacted to it at the same time and so had Law. Zoro chose to go and block it where as the rest chose to dodge (futile as it may have been)
I'll grant you that the Pica finding feat is quite impressive, I have not given this one much consideration however it is only more or less equal to previous Sanji CoO feats such as sensing the sniper 16 meters above, or sensing the presence on Onigashima third floor before Luffy and Jinbei
Sense perception is indicative of good CoO, regardless of whether it is useful in a fight. It shows aptitude
Most would agree Fujitora using CoO to sense each and every individual person, every single pebble on the floor is not "useful" in a fight...still a demonstration of mastery
Practically speaking unless you possess future-sight your observation haki is only as good as your ability to dodge.
Sanji nor Zoro possess future-sight so only one can be better than the other, Ill stick with the portrayal that says it is Sanjis speciality
Zoro reacting to Hakai first is just incorrect, Killer had reacted to it at the same time and so had Law. Zoro chose to go and block it where as the rest chose to dodge (futile as it may have been)
I'll grant you that the Pica finding feat is quite impressive, I have not given this one much consideration however it is only more or less equal to previous Sanji CoO feats such as sensing the sniper 16 meters above, or sensing the presence on Onigashima third floor before Luffy and Jinbei
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Sense perception is indicative of good CoO, regardless of whether it is useful in a fight. It shows aptitude
Most would agree Fujitora using CoO to sense each and every individual person, every single pebble on the floor is not "useful" in a fight...still a demonstration of mastery
Practically speaking unless you possess future-sight your observation haki is only as good as your ability to dodge.
Sanji nor Zoro possess future-sight so only one can be better than the other, Ill stick with the portrayal that says it is Sanjis speciality
It's useful because of a weakness specific to Fujitora, you give it to Sanji and it will not dramatically enhance the fight.
The next advancement beyond observation and heightened sense perception, is future-sight
Neither Sanji nor Zoro have demonstrated this, but they can't have equal CoO, yet one specializes in it and has more showings of it so going off of portrayal we can reasonably assume his is better
The next advancement beyond observation and heightened sense perception, is future-sight
Neither Sanji nor Zoro have demonstrated this, but they can't have equal CoO, yet one specializes in it and has more showings of it so going off of portrayal we can reasonably assume his is better