Speculations Zoro woud be handicapped in his fight against Shiryu

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#81
This is such a dumb way to try and disprove my argument. Yeah, obviously they're not going to be 1:1 parallels, but for the most part they are quite similar.
Also this is quite funny coming from someone who thinks Doffy and Kaido are parallels of eachother. Somehow you can ignore all the things they don't have in common, but god forbid Devon and Vasco not be conquerors, that throws the whole idea right in the trash, huh?
Rocks, Whitebeard, Kaido, Big Mom. That's 3 CoC users that Rocks had working under him. Possibly Shiki too, making it 4.

And you're deadass trying to convince others that the Blackbeard Pirates are even remotely close to that....
 
#84
It's clear as a day BB Is trying to create the Rocks 2.0: we were basically said the crew works exactly the same as the Rocks by BB when he was talking to Kuzan.

You can argue that they won't be as strong, even though all big players were far from their prime back then.
Anyway, BB, Kuzan and Shiliew at least will be more than on par.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#85
Remember back when Page One & the fucking Tobi Roppo trash were being hyped as opponents of M3 or Kidd & Law?

It peaked during the start of Onigashima raid, with people overrating trash like Ulti wildly. And it quickly died down when Mid Trio faced them.

History has a way of repeating itself, this fandom never learns.
 
#86
Rocks, Whitebeard, Kaido, Big Mom. That's 3 CoC users that Rocks had working under him. Possibly Shiki too, making it 4.

And you're deadass trying to convince others that the Blackbeard Pirates are even remotely close to that....
DFless Kaido and young BM were not prime, Sengoku confirmed this.

''Legendary'' BB Pirates will be in their prime, they can match that pre-prime versions of Rocks pirates.

Plus, Rocks pirates problem they had no team work and they were fighting each other.

BB Pirates while they can betray each other which is also expected, and its all business for them, until that betrayal moment they will work with each other perfectly unlike Rocks pirates ever could.
 
#87
Remember back when Page One & the fucking Tobi Roppo trash were being hyped as opponents of M3 or Kidd & Law?

It peaked during the start of Onigashima raid, with people overrating trash like Ulti wildly. And it quickly died down when Mid Trio faced them.

History has a way of repeating itself, this fandom never learns.
WW vs Zoro and similar was absurd, but the BB pirates are really the almost endgame enemy. I would not sleep on them.
 
#91
Neither BB nor SHs will reach Xebec’s crew level. If Rocks crew reached their prime then that’s 5 top-tiers minimum with wildcards like Wang Zhi mixed in. They were supposed to be the OG set of people that could have overthrown Imu.

My theory is that Xebec was either the OG Joyboy reincarnation or descendant. Roger’s crew stopped them from reaching their prime and contesting Imu. This is why the Roger pirates laughed when they reached Laughtale, they realized the irony of Joyboy and Imu’s story and how they might have been in the wrong side of history by killing Xebec. Rayleigh also keeps hinting about a possible misinterpretation of the true history so maybe he’s still in denial of their sin.
 
#92
Neither BB nor SHs will reach Xebec’s crew level. If Rocks crew reached their prime then that’s 5 top-tiers minimum with wildcards like Wang Zhi mixed in. They were supposed to be the OG set of people that could have overthrown Imu.

My theory is that Xebec was either the OG Joyboy reincarnation or descendant. Roger’s crew stopped them from reaching their prime and contesting Imu. This is why the Roger pirates laughed when they reached Laughtale, they realized the irony of Joyboy and Imu’s story and how they might have been in the wrong side of history by killing Xebec. Rayleigh also keeps hinting about a possible misinterpretation of the true history so maybe he’s still in denial of their sin.
The straw hats are surpassing Xebecs crew
 
#96
When people think about Rocks they usually use their prime versions to compare but that's not true. The Rocks crew probably only had Rocks and Whitebeard and Shiki as the "top tiers" whearas people like Kaido, Big Mom, Whang Zi or Silver Axe were most likely around YC1 level at that point. Sure compared to the current pirates crews in this era they would still be the strongest crew, but it's not impossible to surpass that version of Rocks for the EOS SHs.
Luffy > Rocks
Zoro >~ Whitebeard
Sanji >~ Shiki
Jinbei >~ young Kaido or Big Mom
Adding Yamato on top of that (yes I believe she will join the crew later)
Ok why are we talking about Rocks in Zoro and Shiryu thread again lol?
 
#97
Based on feelings?
I just showed you the line-up, they ain’t touching Xebec’s potential. That’s why SHs have had millions of outside help all throughout post-ts and that won’t change going forward.
Based on typical Shonen style. By the end of the series there won’t be a single straw hat that’ll be worth under a billion.

Just because you think “they shouldn’t surpass these powerhouses” doesn’t mean they won’t. The straw hats not being the strongest crew in history is a silly notion.
 
#98
Based on feelings?
I just showed you the line-up, they ain’t touching Xebec’s potential. That’s why SHs have had millions of outside help all throughout post-ts and that won’t change going forward.
Based on oda
The manga will not end without the she surpassing rocks, and more importantly now joyboys crew.

Oda is so literal when it comes to these things he will even write it in the chapter final I would bet money on

Like it ain't that deep we not reading a subvertion here the sh and their allies are supposed to accomplish what multiple crews couldn't do
 
#99
Based on typical Shonen style. By the end of the series there won’t be a single straw hat that’ll be worth under a billion.

Just because you think “they shouldn’t surpass these powerhouses” doesn’t mean they won’t. The straw hats not being the strongest crew in history is a silly notion.
Wtf are you talking about bro? The lineup in Xebec’s crew are all confirmed mid to high-top-tier level people and yonkos. That is literally the peak of PL established with only Joyboy and Imu (2 lategame EoS additions) surpassing that by a good margin. We’ve already seen the gorosei and they’re also just hovering around that level with added regen hax. Only Luffy will surpass that level, Jinbei can go to hell. He’s yc1 level max with new PUs, he should have already reached his ceiling a long time ago. Never mind the rest of the SHs below him.
 
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